Importing and sorting big archive

Mathias,

I think you have misunderstood. Mp3tag is not configured for roon tagging out of the box. You have to configure mp3tag yourself. The “roon relevant” tags you see in my screenshot I have added to the editing pane of mp3ag myself to make my life easier.

There are no easy alternatives that I am aware of other than working your way through the mp3tag manual. There might be some youtube videos to make the learning curve a little easier.

thanks, i noticed that too. Created and filled in a new field “ROON ALBUM TAG”.
But how does ROON find this tag? Do I need to create a shortcut?

On the top menu go to Tools → Options. You should see a screen like this:

Press “Tag Panel” on the left. You should then see something similar to my screen shot. You then need to press the “add tag” symbol on the right. You then get to this screen where you can see I have added all sorts of “roon relevant” tags that are not in mp3tag by default.

Roon understands ROONALBUMTAG with no spaces. “Roon Album Tag” is just what mp3tag displays in its editing screen. I find it easier to read but you can put what you like. The up/down arrows in the righthand bottom allow you to position your new custom tags as you want them in the mp3tag editing pane.

All you then need to do is highlight some content, put an entry in your tags and press save. Roon will do the rest.

By the way, you can put as many items as you wish in your ROONALBUMTAG as long as they are separated by semi-colon’s “;” For example you could put both “1001 Albums to Listen to Before I Die” and the “decades”.

ROONALBUMTAG = 1001 Albums to Listen to Before I Die; 80’s

It is generally better to put things that roon already understands like “Genre” or “Recording Date” in a pre-existing genre or recording date tag rather than putting everything in ROONALBUMTAG.

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Hi again!
I’m training… Can I also find and edit the tag that roon has set with mp3-tag?!

I do not know of such a list of tags that roon uses. The closest I can think of is this knowledge base article:

It is quite Classical focussed. So from your original screen shots I am not sure that is very helpful for you.

I can send you a configuration file by pm that you can import into your copy of mp3tag. There you should see all the tag fields in your editing pane that I use on a regular basis with roon. You install it by:

tools → options → utils → load configuration

Once you start tagging you will have a very steep, very time consuming learning curve. One of the key advantages of roon is that it doesn’t usually require you to tag very extensively. Often roon will “identify” an album with very few tags. The “art” of roon tagging is getting a feel for the minimum tagging necessary to get an identification. That is not necessarily true with genres where there are a lot of covers and re-mixes like Classical, Jazz and other specialist genres like Metal and Drum n’ Bass and Dance but it is a good place to start.

You may want to try an “auto-tagger” to save yourself a world of grief. Songkong is popular on this forum.

I don’t know if we understood each other correctly, at the moment I’m just looking for a way to correct a tag created by roon (I made a mistake)
the configuration you mentioned could certainly help me somewhere else…

Do you have more detail. A screen shot? You are right. I do no understand what you mean.

sorry, too much input atm…managed it otherwise, THX for your try of help to a helpless man…

Got Roon in 2020, been cleaning up duplicates since then. Has already reduced my collection considerably. However, as a jazz and blues lover, I also have the problem of owning an album often in several versions… life is hard, we are harder…

Thanks for the tip! I tested songkong some time ago, it was too complicated for me…
Now I´m learning mp3-tag…:wink:

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could it actually be that my machine is too weak to process my collection? Have I experienced a lot of crashes or hangers lately, since I’ve been working on it more intensely?!

Bit late …

SongKong can be used in a batch mode , just point it at you library then go for several beers. It ma look complicated but that’s really because it’s so comprehensive. Just accept defaults.

@paultaylor wrote it and is a font of knowledge

It works well on discrete album releases like rock and pop but can get a little confused on classical due to the number of rereleases etc

Certainly worth it to the initial heavy lifting

sounds good, I started it. I´m at the 5th beer, PC is on 10%, where will that end?!

Hi Matthias I notice from this screenshot on this post Importing and sorting big archive - #22 by tripleCrotchet that you have some very large albums ?

Are these actually albums or playlists ?

SongKong usually works on a folder by folder basis, and as a starting point assumes one folder = one album, although it modifies this behaviour based on metadata, so you may have to give it more time than usual.

Hello, thank you very much for your contribution! Yes, there are actually many “playlists”, such as the individual annual charts.

Okay so these will cause problems for SongKong and Roon because impossible to match the complete playlist to an actual album, but you can allow SongKong to match the songs within the playlist to the actual albums, and then allow rename to organize album=folder. Of course you will then end up with incomplete albums if you only have theisnlges from the album but if SongKong has identified them and added Musicbrainz details then Roon should be okay with that.

But in first instance you should probably create actual playlists rather than creating pseudo albums to represent the playlists.

OK, but then it will be the case that roon shows me an infinite number of duplicates, because I often have the original album in addition to the titles in the playlist. It is already often the case that roon makes 24 albums from my annual charts (consisting of 24 titles), which I then have to merge manuel.

If you have the original albums, just load the original albums into Roon, then you will not have this problem, you can always selectively add some additional songs when you dont have the original albums for. But your big problem is that you are making psuedo albums, what you need to do is remove these and construct actual playlists (if you need them) instead.