This is amazing. Normally I don’t use this type of functionality though.
Is there any chance of creating presets? Or publishing a guide for how to optimize sound for different types of music?
No doubt some Roon users will hate this idea, but I can’t be the only one that would find it useful.
You can create presets annd save them like full Roon can but it has the advantage of if you’re using Bluetooth you can set a preset for that particular headset and it will load it automatically next time it’s connected. Handy when you have a few different models as it loads each one magically.
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I love the functionality. Super smart. Is there a thread where users share their presets for different headphones for example?
Or different types of music?
Sine I don’t normally use DSP, it might take me while to experiment and optimize, and I might be missing out on better permutations that I haven’t discovered…
There is a website here as CrystalGipsy explained further up in this thread:
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I never use DSP. Or ARC for that matter, since my ISP doesn’t allow it.
Muse has upgraded my Arc experience a lot. My AirPods Pro now sound good when running/walking/biking!
A question to the forum: I can find EQ settings for headphones in the internet +/- easily, but…does anybody knows where to find EQ settings for car audio systems? Anybody willing to share them?
Ps: I only hope Arc AirPlay integration was more “bug free”
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You don’t get them for car audio systems like you don’t for home hifi as they are not a fixed entity like headphones. How tall you are,the seat position etc, windows open, soft top, sunroof, number of people in the car and how loaded it is in the boot/trunk etc will affect how it all sounds. You will have to take readings to do car audio.
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I understand & agree on what you say, but “rooms” & stereo equipments in cars are standard per car model vs “rooms” & music systems at home, which are all different. IMO, some measured-based EQ settings per car model/stereo system could be a good place to start to start tweaking for height, windows, etc. That was why I was asking for sources and/or shared measurements (which might not exist).
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True to my word, I have been experimenting further thanks to the extra motivation that MUSE has provided:
- I tried entered the AutoEQ settings again in MUSE (which was easy as others have mentioned – I typed in the values). The outcome was just as disappointing as I remembered from before.
- But given how easy the process was and the benefit of being able to toggle the EQ on/off in realtime to hear the difference, I researched for some other EQ settings that were shared in Head-fi. It was better but it still wasn’t right.
- And now a thanks to the ability of MUSE to make changes as well as toggle in realtime, I started to manually tweak the settings from 2 above (this time with the wheel) so that it sounds better to my ears and my tastes. This was both rewarding and fun! Great job Roon team on the user experience!
While I have not found the perfect EQ setting yet that I clearly prefer over the non-EQ’d IE900, I am getting closer.
I don’t know if it is because of my specific EQ settings or if it is a MUSE characteristic (likely the latter), but ANY settings in MUSE that deviate from the “lossless” status seem to negatively impact the perceived quality of the music. For example, simply enabling manual headroom adjustment seems to not sound as good as reducing the volume to a “similar” level without the headroom adjustment. This impact is much easier to hear in headphones/in-ears than on loudspeakers in a room (where I am happier using convolution filters). I wonder if others agree with me. I also wonder (hope) if (that) this can be improved in the future.
Thanks again Roon team!
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I think there’s probably a good thread to be had on AutoEq experiences/preferences. The new app front end seems very clever but I’m a little confused by some of the options, and also that the PEQ values didn’t seem to directly correspond to those on the previous recommended results list. Suspect this just reflects a lack of understanding on my part.
FWIW, and contrary to all the objective recommendations, I found that the Rtings results sounded better to me than the recommended oratory1990 on the headphones I was playing with (Sony WH-1000XM3 and Sony WH-1000XM4).
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I noticed the same, values for PEQ in AutoEQ and the database on github are not necessarily the same. However, the latter offers 10 PEQ values. I used Crinacle’s values for my Audeze LCDi3 in both “versions”: the version with 10 values (github) sounds way better!! Less harsh than 5 value Crinacle and much clearer than the Audeze preset in Roon.
I ended up not using the AutoEQ app but the github values also for my other headphones (10 PEQ values)… 
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I only use the IE600 but was shocked at how terrible the AutoEq recommended settings sounded. They remove so many of the Depper frequencies that the IE600 sound thin and almost worse than my stock wired Apple EarPods. I also tried the settings again in ARC with MUSE but remained shocked at how much the sound worsened. So I just continue to use the IE600 non-EQ’d and enjoy them that way 
I think their raw sound reproduction is brilliant.
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Good point. It sometimes can be valuable to try different presets and see what you like best and use that as the starting point to tweak the settings to your taste even more. In the case of IEMs and the IEM600 and 900 respectively there is unfortunately only one recommended preset. So not much to chose from 
If you search through the IE 900 thread on Head-fi, you will find some people posting their recommended PEQ settings. Again, for me, none were ideal.
Yes. Thanks for the recommendation. I tried a couple of settings from posts in an IE600 thread but no settings sounded better to my ears than un-eq’d. The sentiment of the Head-fi thread also reflected that the IE300-900 series IEMs probably do not need any EQ at all to sound good which I would agree with.
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When using PEQ its often a major change in the signature and this is on purpose. These are supposed to make the headsets match the harman target curve and not the stock U or V shaped EQ they tend to use from the factory. Same goes with Room EQ at home. You get so used to the sound they produce natively in your room which in most cases is far from balanced. You really have to change them and use them for a bit and often just you get more accustomed to it and it ends up being more pleasurable overall and less fatiguing. Saying that I find that some just don’t like being changed as likely shows up the weakness in their drivers and design where the house tuning covers it up. If the corrections are large then I think this compounds it, like any DSP small amounts is better.
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Works great in ARC. Less so in Roon. The rebadging of DSP to MUSE in the desktop app seems ill advised. It’s not the same product. Muse in ARC lets you EQ on the fly without pausing playback. DSP in Roon cuts out audio every time a setting is changed (I find it immensely frustrating to use because of this).
Are there any plans to improve DSP in Roon to bring it up to the quality of MUSE in ARC?
As soon as ARC was released as a standalone app last year my immediate reaction was how far feature parity would slip between it and the main apps.
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I’ve given up on ARC on my iPhone other than for my DSD albums. Otherwise, I’m using Qobuz – which is much more stable and less finicky
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