Is it me or does Roon degrade sound

Jeez….

I’d rather not say now. The manufacturers are Wilson and Burmester. And a vetere turntable which I love.

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Well, I’m not sure that the volume was the same. I mean I didn’t change the level on the amp. I guess that’s not a good way to tell based on you question.

Like I said, I’m not a tech guy. I do feel that the levels were close.

I think I will do blind AB testing at various levels to really tell the difference.

Also, I take it from this thread that Roon quality is considered to have little to no impact on degradation of sound quality which is what I was wondering.

Thanks for helping me look at this question from different POVs

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Popcorn is only 8 characters. :grin:

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Sighted listening. You don’t/can’t know (by definition) what your expectation biases are. Nor can your friends. Sighted listening can result in “obvious” SQ differences even when they don’t exist.

The only other possibility is that you are listening to two different inputs when you compare and this is the cause of the difference.

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Or possibly, your Linn colours sound differently? What we hear, what we want to hear and what we like to hear are different variations that can be influenced by many factors, some subtle, some less than subtle.

For what it’s worth, my advice would be to be compassionate, be humble and listen to good music and enjoy life.

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Great feedback on reading your feedback :smile:

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I feel for you Rocco @Rocco_Capobianco.

The thing is, it’s all about the music isn’t it? It’s all too easy to focus on the gear, and to obsess with minutia.

I too own a Linn Klimax DS Organik, and I never use the Linn streaming app/Kazoo. Because they’re absolutely crap. Roon is the perfect companion to my love of music, and I don’t give a toss whether or not it degrades the SQ. :smiley:

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The problem with asking this question on the Roon forum, is the inherent bias of users towards Roon, which you see every time this topic comes up (why does it keep coming up?). I often see this topic discussed more openly on other forums and you may find more useful discussions elsewhere. For what it’s worth, in my opinion, Roon does degrade the sound quality (noticed over many different bits of hardware), and I personally use Roon in Logitech Media Server mode with my current endpoint, which I find sounds better. I recognise that my opinion is anecdotal and of little to no value beyond recognising your concern.

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It is discussed in much the same way on other forums. For everyone that claims degredation there are matching posts to claim not. It is clearly system and user dependent.

Volume has a huge influence on our perception. Louder is always perceived as better, even if it’s just a tiny bit. A difference of 0.1 dB may not be recognized as a volume difference, but perceived as a quality difference. Therefore “close” is not good enough if you want to make such comparisons.

Now, I don’t know about the Linn. It’s possible that both pathways have the same volume, but it doesn’t have to be like that. And like I wrote above, I didn’t measure my NDX2 but also wanted to compare the Roon and Naim streaming and came away convinced that the Naim version simply runs a tiny bit louder. And Naim makes no secret about the fact that they use DSP, so volume differences can’t even be excluded for the digital domain. Anyway, a short press up on the remote when listening to Roon and all differences, real or imagined, evaporated.

To be sure about this, it would be necessary to measure the volume with a mic and to match them for a blind comparison, but as I don’t hear a difference in practice and because there is no rational reason why Roon should be worse in a meaningful way, I can’t be bothered. And now that I have started to run Roon with DSP convolution filters created by measuring the room, this further increased the quality a lot, anyway

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Because the human brain evolved to find differences and patterns and invents them when there are none. And then audiophiles believe their ears to be objective instruments, so they blame this on the outside world. It’s just like seeing Jesus in spilled coffee if you look for it long enough.

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For a moment I misread your post as “I trust my wifes”.
Sorry about that.

Polygamists familiar with the spelling rules of English should always listen to their wives or their wives’ advice, shouldn’t they? … :wink:

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Does that entitle me to wear a skirt :smiling_imp::smiling_imp::crazy_face:

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I don’t hear a difference when playing music through either Roon or my Cambridge CXNv2’s own StreamMagic app.

Same goes when using Tidal or Qobuz apps on my iPad or iPhone compared to Roon.

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15 posts were merged into an existing topic: Tartan Discussion

What, like an extra character?

(Sorry @ffk)

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The 159s with XVX and their Subsonics

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I’ve been pondering this for 14 hours but still don’t get it (neither with 7 characters) :slight_smile: Can someone help me?