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Do you have an estimate on when the official version will be released?
Link removed, sorry for the inconvenience.
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Do you have an estimate on when the official version will be released?
But it was working earlier today and I downloaded it and updated my system. You had it open to the public on a available page through links on your website.
If itās not an official release, you shouldnāt be making it accessible to the public.
Just wait: only few days until Christmas
We were testing our new knowledgebase yesterday and put a BETA version up for a brief period. Sorry
So what does the update add?
I believe the most important thing is eight new filters for the EQ. Bluetooth is also enabled, kid of strange in my opinion, but it could be convenient sometimes. Hopefully a changelog will be released soon. The update site is up and running again, and the update software is no longer crashing. I donāt know if it is official yet.
I personally find it very odd that not even a very basic changelog is published - they could certainly give us some kind of idea of what theyāve improved/changed without revealing any āsecretsā.
And Iām assuming the new filters are in the āproā section.
Sort of difficult to know if itās worth checking out when no explanation is provided.
Well, the new support pages have a section called āOperation - Kii Control v.2 firmwareā. There also is some information on the new filters and their potential settings. Of course you should know how to use them, but itās not difficult to find out after some web-search if you are really interested. I did it because I really wanted to use them to tame some room effects (modes) and it helped really a lot to be able to better adapt the Kiis to the room and thus substantially raise the listening enjoyment without further adding additonal hardware (apart from the measurment mic you need)
Well I donāt think there were some under the hood changes other than the standard gain setting, which is set higher since a couple of FW versions (if people missed that versions the Kii could appear louder in the same volume setting). And yes, there is a changelog available and I know it being a beta tester since almost 3 months. Kii took a lot of time to test and improve the FW. Maybe (or frankly I would propose to do it) they will release it as well on the knowledge base. Otherwise all functions are described there.
Good to see parametric EQ seems to be rolling out to the Kii three (even if accompanied by very limited information and without much fanfare). That functionality helps gain some ground back on the 8c. It seems Kii do listen (to some degree), even if they donāt really embrace community engagement.
Iām still sitting on the fence watching the 8c and three to see where they both evolve to. All that would need to sway me to the Kii now are; a more affordable bxt type sub add-on, a rework of the control to a simpler wireless one, and filter setup etc via an app, and a transferable warranty. I soooo prefer the looks of the three, but still a bit far off fulfilling all my needs.
I donāt think you are going to get your wish list. Itās way too big, and probably not what Kii has in mind. In any case, itās taken them years to just get the firmware update out, so I wouldnāt hold my breath about all the other developments you are waiting for.
The 8c sounds like it is more what you are looking for.
If I was you, Iād maybe take a look at the B&W Formation Duo, that also has itās compatible sub. Add a little DRC \DSP software on a server, and youād probably have something that fits a lot of what youāve described.
Kii audio is a fairly small company with limited resources. Customer support is basically handeled by one main person, so their active community engagements likely are limited, but they are aware of them, Iām sure. Also the technical/programming resources are limited on one or few people, so that the current focus seems to be on improving/stabelizing the current HW (speaker and KC).
I doubt any focus will be put on wireless/ app based activities in the near future. (The essential functions of the KC/Speaker can be changed with the simple apple remote. Finally the new FW also enables remotely switching between presets)
What the Kii speaker(s) might evelve to I am also curious to know. Maybe it will be a new model one day, maybe it will be a Kii Three MK II based on the Purifi Amp modules and also their transducers. That surely would offer a very interesting new perspective also for the sub-bass/ bass frequency region.
Bruno Putzeys being a co-founder of Purifi and active designer of their technology might imply to integrate it also into the Kii Audio products sooner or later. But this is pure speculation.
I am still very satisfied listening to the Kiiās and with the new EQ-stettings it even opened up a new listening window
Despite slightly preferring the sound of the Kii three, the 8c probably is more what Iām for looking for - certainly in terms of price, bass headroom, and app control. If only theyād put it in a Kii three cabinet!
Those B&Ws are definitely not what Iām looking for thoughā¦
I think I need to do new demos this year, and try and get them both at home this time - only way to make my mind up properly.
Have you heard both speakers? Itās hard for me to think of the Kiis as not having enough bass/loudness for someone - unless you have a very large room or just have to have that big physical impact bass.
That said, if they came out with a somewhat more conventional is size sub that integrated with the Threes, Iād get it, just to have that last bit of bass fullness and impact - because I could, not because I need it. The BXT are way too pricey for me, and just donāt have a good enough price to added performance ration in my way of looking at things. For that type of money, Iād probably get something else entirely instead of the Kiis with BXT.
Yeah, as mentioned above and further upstream, both together in a āhead to headā if you like, but at a dealers not at home.
I actually preferred the Kii three sound on that occasion (it was close) especially with electronic music which is my main genre, but it was a fairly short demo of an hour or so.
I would say the 8c have a slightly warmer/softer sound and the three a touch āharderā or just more emphasis on detail. Similar but different.
But the numbers speak for themselves and thereās more bass headroom in the 8c and my place is bigger, more open plan, and less damped than the demo room. Maybe the 8c would be less fatiguing long-term is what I thought after the event. But these things are very subjective and really I just need to hear them at home.
The BXT is totally out of my league price-wise and FWIW I donāt particularly like the look compared to the threes standalone. The price of the threes already seems a bit out of line now compared to the 8c, especially when you add the Ā£1.5k cost of that control box which really should just come with a pair of speakers.
Anyway, itās fun considering the next purchase. Meanwhile I just mess about with EQ on my current setup, itās enough to change the sound slightly and see how it goes for a whileā¦ much cheaper than buying and selling.
I agree with @hifi_swlon. Iāve listened extensively to both speakers in a high end audio storeās listening room and demoed the 8Cs at home. I did not demo the Kiis at home as I wasnāt able to find a way to do this. I started the evaluation expecting and frankly wanting to buy the Kiis. But as @hifi_swlon says, the 8Cs are warmer, provide exceptional bass, are amazing in a large room for such a small speaker and are cheaper. The Kiiās are slightly more detailed but sound more clinical to me. I would expect that with the BXTs the Kiis would step to a solid notch above the 8Cs but the price would jump to $37,000 vs $13,000 for the 8Cs so the comparison isnāt really fair (and I havenāt heard them so donāt really know), and even without the BXTs the Kiis are $17,000 with control ā 30% more expensive than the 8Cs. In the end I bought the 8Cs and Iām running them in a large room via AES/EBU from a Lumin U1 mini and the sound is fantastic. Looking forward to testing with ethernet when it is available. But in the end, you frankly canāt go wrong with either.
One of the advantages of such a speaker is that you can use DSP to adjust the sound. For instance, I slightly āwarmā the sound of mine between 100- 400hz - not to change the speaker, but to take the āedgeā off of the many recordings I think have a bit of a hard sound.
DSP can really change the result or adjust the sound to your room or taste.
What you describe, is the exact reason i went with the 8Cs.
The Kii3 are absolutely fantastic, but for me, the āharder soundā was something i never fell for.
I auditioned the Kii3 long before D&D 8C had even seen the light.
I remember thinking, wow , pretty amazing. But back then, coming from Tubes, the Kii3 was a bit to hard in the highs, almost a little mechanical sounding. Might be the way the Ncore is implemented.
When i heard the 8CĀ“s a long time after i was once again amazed, and this time i liked the sound. I asked to audition both speakers. For me, the 8CĀ“s gave me what i wanted. A āwarmerā sound, bigger bass headroom, better looks. 3D and separation is AMAZING on both speakers.
The D&D8c was also cheaper, so for me it was easy. The BXT will give you bass headroom, but at a price. A price i am not willing to spend, when the D&D8c already has more bass than i need in my almost 56m2 room.
The Kii3 and D&D8C are AMAZING. You cant go wrong with either.
Totally agree - I went from thinking I knew a lot about DSP and EQ to finally actually knowing a fair bit through trial and error.
Iām constantly amazed at the differences small eqs can make, especially once there are already eqs in place dealing with issues as best they can.
I feel I never quite get there regardless of kit, and so I know I have a difficult space but no option to change/treat. So EQ gives me at least some options. Looking back I now realise that kit changes probably just primarily had different EQ. Yes there are other factors but itās this I think we hear the most obviously. I sometimes change the curve just for fun and to get that ālisten to my collection againā feeling you get from new kit.
Well, thatās so subjective. If the 8c were available in a Kii three cabinet Iād be listening to a pair right nowā¦
yes, looks is subjective.