La Rosita Delta HD defined as Uncertified Device

Dirk_Gehl · February 13, 2022, 10:42pm

Roon Core Machine

MacMini M1, 16GB RAM
MacOS 11.6.1

Networking Gear & Setup Details

Netgear Nighthawk
Zyxel 1 to 4 ports Ethernet hub
Ethernet

Connected Audio Devices

La Rosita Delta HD
Ethernet connection

Number of Tracks in Library

3000 tracks

Description of Issue

La Rosita Delta HD is defined as uncertified device and cannot be enabled. I started testing Roon today and this is the first time I am trying to connect the Delta HD. The streamer plays without problems through Shareport (Airplay emulator). Roon works well with the MacMini headphone output and an USB DAC.

Here is a copy of Roon Ready Diagnostics RoonReadyDiag_log :

02/13/2022 23:11:53 - ------------------------------------------------------------
02/13/2022 23:11:53 - /opt/RoonReady/raatool logdump 9e6bddab-aa8e-4425-9905-d9676558b841
[0000000] 0.001 TRACE [info] initializing info dictionary
[0000001] 0.001 TRACE [info] inserting raat_version -> 1.1.36
[0000002] 0.001 TRACE [info] inserting protocol_version -> 3
[0000003] 0.012 TRACE [output/alsa] initializing output uniqueid=hw:0,0
[0000004] 0.012 TRACE [output/alsa] preferred buffer duration=0.050000s
[0000005] 0.012 TRACE [output/alsa] force_max_volume=0
[0000006] 0.012 TRACE [output/alsa] resync delay=0.100000s
[0000007] 0.012 TRACE [ALSA] max pcm rate=1411200
[0000008] 0.012 TRACE [output/alsa] max dsd rate=1024
[0000009] 0.013 TRACE [output/alsa] dsd_mode=none
[0000010] 0.013 TRACE [output/alsa] getting hardware info
[0000011] 0.022 TRACE pcm card id L20
[0000012] 0.022 TRACE pcm card name La Rosita 2.0
[0000013] 0.022 TRACE pcm card longname La Rosita 2.0 La Rosita 2.0 at usb-ci_hdrc.1-1.1, high speed
[0000014] 0.022 TRACE pcm card mixername USB Mixer
[0000015] 0.022 TRACE pcm card components USB16d0:071a
[0000016] 0.022 TRACE pcm card driver USB-Audio
[0000017] 0.022 TRACE pcm card usb id 16d0:071a
[0000018] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/16/1
[0000019] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/16/2
[0000020] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/24/1
[0000021] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/24/2
[0000022] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/32/1
[0000023] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 44100/32/2
[0000024] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/16/1
[0000025] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/16/2
[0000026] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/24/1
[0000027] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/24/2
[0000028] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/32/1
[0000029] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 48000/32/2
[0000030] 0.023 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/16/1
[0000031] 0.027 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/16/2
[0000032] 0.027 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/24/1
[0000033] 0.027 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/24/2
[0000034] 0.027 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/32/1
[0000035] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 88200/32/2
[0000036] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/16/1
[0000037] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/16/2
[0000038] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/24/1
[0000039] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/24/2
[0000040] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/32/1
[0000041] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 96000/32/2
[0000042] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/16/1
[0000043] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/16/2
[0000044] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/24/1
[0000045] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/24/2
[0000046] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/32/1
[0000047] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 176400/32/2
[0000048] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/16/1
[0000049] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/16/2
[0000050] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/24/1
[0000051] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/24/2
[0000052] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/32/1
[0000053] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 192000/32/2
[0000054] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/16/1
[0000055] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/16/2
[0000056] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/24/1
[0000057] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/24/2
[0000058] 0.028 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/32/1
[0000059] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 352800/32/2
[0000060] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/16/1
[0000061] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/16/2
[0000062] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/24/1
[0000063] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/24/2
[0000064] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/32/1
[0000065] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] [hw:0,0] [hardcoded] supports pcm format 384000/32/2
[0000066] 0.029 TRACE [output/alsa] initialized
[0000067] 0.029 TRACE [volume/null] initialized
[0000068] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting unique_id -> 9e6bddab-aa8e-4425-9905-d9676558b841
[0000069] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting vendor -> La Rosita
[0000070] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting vendor_model -> La Rosita 
[0000071] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting serial -> 01E294
[0000072] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting config_url -> http://__SELF__/
[0000073] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting model -> 
[0000074] 0.029 TRACE [info] inserting version -> 2.7
[0000075] 0.029 INFO [server] listening on port 42369
[0000076] 0.030 TRACE [discovery] starting
[0000077] 0.030 INFO [discovery] [iface:127.0.0.1] multicast recv socket is bound to 0.0.0.0:9003
[0000078] 0.030 INFO [discovery] [iface:127.0.0.1] multicast send socket is bound to 0.0.0.0:45271
[0000079] 0.040 INFO [discovery] [iface:192.168.1.64] multicast recv socket is bound to 0.0.0.0:9003
[0000080] 0.040 INFO [discovery] [iface:192.168.1.64] multicast send socket is bound to 0.0.0.0:55216
[0000081] 0.040 INFO [discovery] unicast socket is bound to 0.0.0.0:9003
[0000082] 0.046 TRACE [device] announcing DiscoveryMessage[type=QUERY, transactionid=FE63B241-E191-499D-CE29-7BE8CBC029C4, Data={ "unique_id": "9e6bddab-aa8e-4425-9905-d9676558b841", "raat_version": "1.1.36", "vendor": "La Rosita", "protocol_version": "3", "config_url": "http://__SELF__/", "model": "", "version": "2.7", "vendor_model": "La Rosita ", "serial": "01E294", "service_id": "5e2042ad-9bc5-4508-be92-ff68f19bdc93", "tcp_port": "42369",  } ]
[0000083] 0.095 DEBUG [discovery] broadcast op is complete
[0000084] 0.297 TRACE [server] [192.168.1.19:59894] accepted connection
[0000085] 0.305 TRACE [session] [192.168.1.19:59894] created: 0x1b3e2c0 (0x1b4a530)
[0000086] 0.408 TRACE [server] new script with name=raat.dat:base.lua module=base
[0000087] 0.412 TRACE [session] [192.168.1.19:59894] pre-loading lua module base
[0000088] 0.420 TRACE [server] new script with name=raat.dat:dkjson.lua module=dkjson
[0000089] 0.420 TRACE [session] [192.168.1.19:59894] pre-loading lua module dkjson
[0000090] 0.425 TRACE [server] new script with name=raat.dat:protocol.lua module=protocol
[0000091] 0.437 TRACE [session] [192.168.1.19:59894] pre-loading lua module protocol
[0000092] 0.446 TRACE [server] new script with name=raat.dat:roon_tcp.lua module=(null)
[0000093] 0.446 TRACE [server] [192.168.1.19:59894] SENT[LL] [1] {"status": "Success"}
[0000094] 0.447 TRACE [server] [192.168.1.19:59894] SENT[LL] [2] {"status": "Success"}
[0000095] 0.447 TRACE [server] [192.168.1.19:59894] SENT[LL] [3] {"status": "Success"}
[0000096] 0.447 TRACE [session] [192.168.1.19:59894] executing lua script
[0000097] 0.475 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  [roon] clock socket listening on udp 0.0.0.0:37633
[0000098] 0.476 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  [roon] audio socket listening on tcp 0.0.0.0:37973
[0000099] 0.476 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  [roon] output info {"config": {"buffer_duration": 0.050000000000000003, "type": "alsa", "sync_offset_ns": 12000000, "device": "hw:0,0", "signal_path": [{"quality": "lossless", "type": "output", "method": "analog"}], "dsd_mode": "none", "supported_formats": [{"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 16, "channels": 1}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 16, "channels": 2}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 24, "channels": 1}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 24, "channels": 2}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 32, "channels": 1}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 44100, "bits_per_sample": 32, "channels": 2}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 48000, "bits_per_sample": 16, "channels": 1}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 48000, "bits_per_sample": 16, "channels": 2}, {"sample_type": "pcm", "sample_rate": 48000, "bits_per_
[0000100] 0.476 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  [roon] volume info {"config": {"optional": true, "type": "null"}}
[0000101] 0.476 TRACE [server] [192.168.1.19:59894] SENT[LL] [4] {"status": "Success"}
[0000102] 0.478 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  GOT [2] {"request":"info"}
[0000103] 0.520 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  SENT [2] {"status":"Success","volume":{"info":{"config":{"optional":true,"type":"null"}},"is_supported":true},"info":{"unique_id":"9e6bddab-aa8e-4425-9905-d9676558b841"},"transport":{"info":[],"is_supported":false},"source_selection":{"info":[],"is_supported":false},"output":{"info":{"alsa_device":{"id":"L20","name":"La Rosita 2.0","mixername":"USB Mixer","components":"L20","longname":"La Rosita 2.0 La Rosita 2.0 at usb-ci_hdrc.1-1.1, high speed","driver":"USB-Audio","usbid":"16d0:071a"},"config":{"disable_usb_hw_info":true,"type":"alsa","supported_formats":[{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":1,"sample_rate":44100,"bits_per_sample":16},{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":2,"sample_rate":44100,"bits_per_sample":16},{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":1,"sample_rate":44100,"bits_per_sample":24},{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":2,"sample_rate":44100,"bits_per_sample":24},{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":1,"sample_rate":44100,"bits_per_sample":32},{"sample_type":"pcm","channels":2,"sampl
[0000104] 0.521 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  GOT [3] {"request":"set_client_type","client_type":"Roon"}
[0000105] 0.522 TRACE [lua@0x1b4918c] [192.168.1.19:59894]  SENT [3] {"status":"Success"}
[0000106] 6.834 TRACE [server] [127.0.0.1:51698] accepted connection
[0000107] 6.841 TRACE [session] [127.0.0.1:51698] created: 0x1b64a70 (0x1bcbfa0)
02/13/2022 23:11:53 - ------------------------------------------------------------
02/13/2022 23:11:53 - aplay -l
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: L20 [La Rosita 2.0], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

AceRimmer · February 13, 2022, 11:12pm

Have you tried rebooting everything at all?
According to the Roon list that unit is Roon Ready so not sure why it’s showing as uncertified right now.

If reboot does not help, hopefully Roon @support will be able to take a look when they start on the backlog early in the week.

bearFNF · February 14, 2022, 2:52am

La Rosita’s site says it needs to be in output Mode 4 for Roon ready if that helps?

wklie · February 14, 2022, 4:31am

If you have any security feature in the router or Mac such as firewall, disable them temporarily.

Reboot the whole network starting from the router, include the Roon Core and all your network audio devices, especially those that shown up as uncertified erroneously.

If that doesn’t help, try clearing the cache on your Roon Core as follows:

Exit out of Roon
Find and open your Roon database
Navigate to Roon/Cache
Delete the Cache folder
Try restarting Roon

Dirk_Gehl · February 14, 2022, 8:29am

Thanks!

I tried to reboot everything, even w/o Firewall. I also deleted the cache files of Roon (only the 2 files devices-prod.zip and …zip.etag) as this was recommended in another thread.

The problem persists: La Rosita Delta HD is identified as uncertified in Roon Ready mode (output mode #1 of La Rosita).

However, the Delta HD is recognised by Roon when it is in Shareport mode (Airport emulator, output mode #4). But Shareport is limited to 16bit/44khz (sort of a crutch).

The Delta HD in MPD/DLNA (output mode #2) is recognised by Audirvana Studio without any problems.

I’m counting on the Roon support (or Dan Bellity from La Rosita).

bearFNF · February 14, 2022, 1:57pm

Just so you know, this is from the La Rosita - Delta HD site:

Says output #1 is “shareport” for Airplay
and Output #4 is for RoonReady…
Which corresponds to what you are seeing.
Does your manual tell you differently?
https://www.larosita.fr/en-la-rosita-omega
Look under “technical Data”

It also says:

Is there a way to set the output samples rates in the software maybe?
Might send them a query as to what sample rate you should be able to get with mode #4 (or RoonReady mode). Then look in Roon (device setup/advanced/max sample rate(PCM)) to see if you can change/match the rate you should be getting?

Dirk_Gehl · February 14, 2022, 2:31pm

In the GUI of the Delta HD under the Audio App Switcher the ordering of the output modes is just different (1. Roon, 2a/b. MPD/DLNA, 3. HQ Player, 4. Shairport). Hence the misunderstanding.
I will have a support call with Dan Bellity and this will hopefully solve the issue.

Dirk_Gehl · February 14, 2022, 2:33pm

bearFNF · February 14, 2022, 2:34pm

It will be interesting to see if the tech spec is incorrect or the app. It appears the app is the issue as, from what you say, the output works for RoonReady being #4 output. Hopefully they can sort it out for you.

edit: looking at that screen shot, I bet the label/text on the two buttons are wrong…

Dirk_Gehl · February 14, 2022, 3:51pm

The problem was solved in a support call and a TeamViewer session with Dan Bellity himself. Firmware check (which I think was o.k.) and a couple of small adjustments in the settings and the Delta HD was recognised as roonready immediately and plays flawlessly. (In my understanding these adjustments in the settings (e.g. name/tape of the device, serial nr.) were necessary so that Roon recognises a certified device according to their latest standards.)

It’s nice to receive support from Le Chef directly! Excellent.

Dirk_Gehl · February 14, 2022, 4:58pm

Screenshot 2022-02-14 at 17.58.00

system · February 16, 2022, 4:59am

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