If you are not already doing so, when using Roon for music. Turn off automatic audio analysis completely. Leave ON Demand on. Then turn audio analysis back on when not using Roon to listen to music.
With a library that size I would absolutely not be using a mobile based CPU. Roon mainly uses a single core, so a desktop CPU with the fastest single core speed would be the best option, imho. My Roon Core for a library that size would be a based around an Intel Core i9-9900K.
I have had such great Roon experiences with this machine with older releases of 1.7 and 1.8 version. Now everything is much slower. DNS IPv4 audio analysis off…now Qobuz and Tidal turned off…only one local hard drive, no other interfering processes, headless with no GUI with the Linux server…just looking occasionally to see if reboot needed to lift performance again.
I also watched the cores. In the first two minutes everything is a bit hectic across multiple cores, then the cores alternate in load, one always going towards 100% and alternating with other cores. This machine would even be slightly ahead according to this benchmark:
The utilization patterns have not changed with the 952 release. The top three observations are shown overlapping so that you can recognize beginnings and ends by the arrows. After that, it gets quieter for many minutes and I was able to omit many images. Only at the bottom it becomes more hectic again at the end. The scan of the harddisk is finished and the Wine Gui can be started without error messages.
If you try it before, you will get the familiar error message:
Not sure if it helps you in any way, but as I like your statistics from Roonserver logs , here is my last 30days overview of various server-specific data taken from the same logfiles on my Roonserver: https://localhost.sk/dropzone/roonserver-2022-may.png Bear in mind it’s “only” about 9700 albums (including Tidal/Qobuz).
Indeed I see drop in performance in last week or so in the graph, but from user perspective it’s not visible for me. But I have my Library quite stable for years regarding new music - with very few additions here-and-there…
In general I would like to understand why are you using Wine - as Roonserver runs natively on Linux. For the client I would recommend supported clients (iOS/Android/macOS/Windows) just to not complicate things when reporting issues.
With the metadata optimizer paused, I am now making better progress on Linux as well. As soon as I stream not only locally, but also from Qobuz, the performance collapses. Hardly any albums are fed, but half an album dear without interruption.
For example, when my network is challenged in downloading, it shows many MB of throughput as shown here and constant trouble-free flow even over many days, weeks or months. The router shows virtually no interference even in the longer evaluation.
Yes I have considered that and the problems with the metadata organizer occur independently of this GUI. I observe this with Window 10 and Window 11 as well. This optimization doesn’t seem to be in good hands with the purchased service at Amazon.
I think the question of how many music files, LPs, CDs or tapes we need is a very personal question that everyone will answer differently. I love Roon and my collection, what should I give up and in what order? I think the best common path leads to old strengths that Roon has shown before.
I’m happy to report this evening that with pausing Metadata Optimizer, I managed to get my hard drive P completely read in. Roon certainly manages a million tracks on my powerful system, if started very early in the morning and should finish before midnight. It’s like it used to be with version 1.7, I only had 824689 tracks missing yesterday.
I’ve probably used every music service that still exists or once existed. I’ve been into streaming since the beginning of the millennium. At first, Steve Jobs fought with all his might and hunted down everything that didn’t want to dance to his tune. So MusicMatch was also buried/sold/discontinued…
Software from 1997 where also the beginnings of Roon/Sooloos are. If you want you can still fight your way through the history of RealNetworks Rhapsody & many more that have seen their demise. In the end Apple couldn’t even keep 800 million accounts on iTunes. Apple Muisc is also not a plant of its own, but grew out of MOG (online music) - Wikipedia and Beats Electronics - Wikipedia. The story of late entry is a marketing invention to cover up its own failures to compete. Nevertheless, every service should be reviewed every year to see how well it is performing, and we here have now decided on Qobuz and Tidal with Roon. This great love has understandable backgrounds, which are in the music quality and the great performance with a lot of context. When it runs flawlessly, it’s a dream without competition.
We should keep alternatives until eternal life on earth is invented.
There are more than a billion people here who will never join our niche because they don’t like snake oil. That’s where Soundcloud, Spotify & Co. score. Spotify has the best overall concept with Google as a service provider. There were simply a few investment steps AI of EchoNest, Niland & Co or the massive bought podcast advance thoughtful actions, where competitors run behind. Spotify was in the best position early on with Distrokid to even scare the big Universal, Warner and Sony enough to give up shares to reconcile. The major labels were struggling even with moderate success. See on this complex of topics
The package went to the smaller Tidal. There is certainly more collaboration going on in the background than we suspect. The few games show that competitors only invest when Spotify is already one step ahead. Of course, they want to retain influence in the remaining cooperation.
The priority HiRes2021 was a fake to lure Apple and Amazon very early and cost-intensively into a market that was just emerging. There is no need for haste until market observations report a major turnaround. At the moment, Spotify is still growing very superior in absolute numbers and is aiming for one billion customers. We believe we have the best technical solutions here, and we’re absolutely certain to grow a thousand times slower. It is actually the case that even Apple managers admit that the mass of customers can not hear it on your devices. I am no exception, but now on the lossless path. In fact, my ears are so bad that I will probably never savor the capabilities of my DAC.
Because I love Roon and my collection and this is the benchmark for me:
Even if Roon could do everything right, there is the Amazon AWS, Tidal or Qobuz that have already died out like a dozen services in this environment. No music service allows you performant to love such libraries also not the market leader and the now eternal second. I also have many titles that have never been released on CD, that you could only buy second hand and where artists have decided not to release it for streaming. It’s a very personal collection that will never exist a second time as a copy and will only lose meaning with my passing.
Yes it is hobby, personal experience of what Enno described so beautifully. Unfortunately, he also can not influence alone what of it how long and stable remains alive. I wish Roon success and the wisdom not to let us old dinosaurs die out, then they are no longer nerdy!
I hope I haven’t left out any style in my collection and discover something new every day. Massive tie-ins well illustrated plus background information goes with Roon. I don’t want to rely only on personal recommendations but also AI, not only but also listen to albums. Starting with an empty database is much more troublesome than with 80,000 artists willingly opening the gateway to your millions of relatives via Roon.
I share the fate of never hearing the billion songs that will soon be available online with every streamer, but I still find the music world varied without the internet, even if artists don’t give concerts because of Corona and everything physical is given away, I’m left with my personal digitalization and rediscovery away from the streaming world.