I like the different EQs per headphone, with my IE 600 having 5 options. I’ll feedback once I’ve tried them all.
Roon Remote on iPhone 14 cannot change headphone EQ, which is consistent with not having any MUSE functionality on iPhone. However, if I’m using MojoPoly and switch headphones or want to set it up for the first time I need to dig out a laptop.
Can you reconsider providing this and some other MUSE functionality in iPhones devices.
Can I seriously not use it from the Roon remote app. Seriously.
TERRIFIC feature. BUT: the fact that it isn’t accessible through the iOS app, only the iPad port or the desktop app (as has been true for all Muse DSP settings despite the fact that they are somehow able to be implemented in the Roon Arc app for iOS) continues to be a source of baffling and incomprehensible frustration for me and countless others. One of the great marketing and innovation fails of all time, especially considering how essential Roon is otherwise. I’ve attempted to appeal for an explanation for this for years, to no avail. Why?
Do ya’ll honestly think that anyone with an iPhone is using the desktop app to control their networked streamers? In their bedroom, say, or living room? Really?
I’ve got a collection of headphones—nine and counting, to be exact, compromised of six different manufacturers. And I absolutely do swap them out frequently depending on my listening preferences, often in a single session. I use an iFi Neo Stream network transport for my nightstand headphone setup. The idea that I’m going to trudge back and forth up my stairs to tweak headphone settings on my desktop when I’m trying to relax is preposterous.
Roon ARC is great, but it is in no way an equivalent audiophile ecosystem to the Roon app itself, and it really seems like ya’ll have redirected your focus almost exclusively on it at the expense of your flagship app. Is this your endgame?
It baffles my mind that they have implemented a feature for headphones, which are more often than not related to mobility, that can not be accessed via the Roon remote app. It is exactly the same as the EQ which also cannot be accessed via remote.
I do all of my Roon control via the remote app, both for headphones and speaker listening. So having to dig out the laptop and create a load of dedicated user presets for any and all eventualities is just crazy.
It’s not unusual for mobile apps to have more limited features than browser or computer based apps.
I get your point though.
I am not baffled that they introduced the feature for specific headphones profiles. It is the way it has been implemented.
hhmm, that’s not what you said…just sayin’
Also the second part of your statement:
is incorrect, as the feature can be accessed, just in a limited fashion. i.e. to enable or disable the feature (in the remote app)
So if you bothered to read this in context you would see you have missed the point.
They have implemented a feature for headphones (which I am happy about).
Headphones are generally used for portability.
Implemented feature can only be modified by using a PC/Laptop (without workarounds) which is not a portable solution.
If you are still satisfied with that as a solution then more power to you. I am not.
Thanks for the feedback here folks. As many of you know, MUSE is Roon’s powerful suite of DSP functionality, originally designed for our tablet and desktop interfaces.
Historically, the Roon phone app only includes a subset of that functionality, allowing you to toggle individual MUSE filters, and to recall “presets” saved when using the full interface. It’s possible we’ll do a large-scale redesign of MUSE to be more full-featured in the Roon phone app (like we did in ARC) but that’s a big project, and not one that we wanted blocking the release of OPRA.
As mentioned previously, if you are using Roon endpoints on your network to drive your headphones, you can save presets using your tablet or desktop device, and switch between them on the fly while listening using your phone.
Alternatively, if your headphones are connected to a mobile device, the full OPRA feature set has been implemented in ARC and you’ll have total control of which curves you are using, and any additional processing you want to do in MUSE.
Nothing is off the table for the future, so if expanded control of MUSE (or just OPRA) in the Roon phone app is important to you, we’re listening – I’ve moved this feedback to Feature Suggestions and look forward to hearing more from the community.
Thanks all!
Would this be related to this feature request?
Or this?
Just an additional comment to @mike’s message; if this feature suggestion is important to you, please vote for it by using the Vote button at the top of the thread. Thank you.
The response from the product manager is frankly ridiculous: we can’t do this because of the way that the iOS app was originally designed, it would be a large project to make MUSE 100% available in the iOS app.
You should have never made that design decision and take on that technical debt, because people have been using their phone as their primary device for 15 years now. The second best thing that you could do is pay it down now.
Instead you release another feature that exposes and magnifies this debt, a features that is squarely geared at portable audio to begin with. “Didnt want to block it on the redesign”. It boggles the mind how backward this is.
There should be no need for people to “vote” on this, it is patently obvious there should be nothing that you can do on the desktop but not on the phone. Like it is obvious that Roon and Roon ARC should be the same app.
Seems reasonable to me, and matches my use case for iPhone.
If you want to use your iPhone as an Endpoint use Roon ARC app.
If you want to use your iPhone to control Roon use Roon Remote app.
But if you cannot control Roon with your iPhone, where does that leave you. That’s the point being made here. MojoPoly is portable endpoint. Roon Remote on iPhone controls Roon, but I can’t choose Muse settings, thus can’t control fully Roon on iPhone.
I have a Poly/Mojo2, I had different profiles set up for different headphones in muse with respective PEQ settings and headroom.
I just picked the profile to use in the mobile app for the respective headphone or iem I was using.
10 second task.
I would also point out that all functions are not available on tablets as well (in my case, iPad). One example, you cannot load convolution files using a tablet. 
There’s a long standing feature request to add full control, but based on what has been posted here, it seems it will not happen in the foreseeable future.
With Roon ARC you can control what is being played on the iPhone as an Endpoint.
When used as an Roon Remote you can control Roon to use with defined endpoints.
So when using MojoPoly is it a DAC used with the iPhone as a source? If so, use with Roon ARC.
If it a standalone endpoint, then use the iPhone as a Remote, with refined profiles.
It’s a standalone endpoint, but being portable you may not be near a computer so the iPhone is the remote.
Yes, I can set up predefined profiles, but I’m frustrated like many are that you can’t just define the profile in the iPhone itself and have to use a computer to define it in advance.
An example from today is I found that there are 5 different auto EQ profiles for one of my headphones. Let’s say I want to experiment to fine my preferred one. I have to set up 5 predefined profiles and then go to my spot in the house to use the iPhone to change them. Later I’d remember the preferred one and delete the others. It’s probably an extreme example, but these extra hoops can get in the way of a good experience with Roon. Editing a single profile in situ like you can with ARC is the desired option.
Or you do like I did, spend 5 minutes at the computer with the phone, create a profile, save it, sign on with your phone and headphones and then you can switch between them live on the computer to hear them change on the headphones to compare. As I said, took all of 5 minutes to center on the one I preferred and that is comparing 12 different ones for my headphones. Got it set, never have to touch it again for that headphone.
