Roon 2.0 and internet connectivity [it's just like 1.8 now]

Not my experience with it over the last few weeks. Turned it off it just annoys me to use it and it’s dog slow to load. Material skin is well overrated and is just messy and the artist info add on is just poorly implemented, the UPnP plug-ins flakey as it’s always been and no global search option. I’d rather use PlexAmp and a pi than LMS direct to my streamer.

Nope, it’s the request with the highest vote count ever, in the shortest time

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So do I, but it was pointless speculating in answering the question and we haven’t been given any sort of detailed answer as to why (nor would that help in any way really). We are stuck with it unless Roon have a change of mind or provide some sort or workaround. If it impacts subscriber intake then things might change?

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Think I recall reading a post when this came to light, probably from Danny, that stated Roon had been maintaining a separate “something” (parallel system) that allowed Roon to continue working with local library when the internet was unavailable. And maintaining that separate “something” was hindering them from moving forward with planned upgrades. Can’t say for sure but that is what I recall.

That had worked for us during a winter storm with rolling 4 hour blackouts, for several days, that also affected the internet service and cable provider. We have a whole house backup generator for power outages, but with the unexpected internet outage and no cable TV, Roon with the local library was all the entertainment we had during the outages.

I was very happy to discover that it worked with local files during those outages and disappointed to hear we will not have that going forward.

There are other options, mentioned on several posts, to use as a backup plan for internet outages.

I’ll continue to hope Roon comes up with something for no internet situations but I don’t see it coming anytime soon, if ever. I’m a lifer so all I can do is voice my disapproval and work on the backup plan.

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According to Roon you should not, could not, must not have Internet outages ever in your life.

This one, there are others that mention some other aspects:

Dog slow makes no sense, it doesn’t even do a startup scan. I’m running a lib of close to 700k and its response on a lowly i3 7100-T is at least as good as Roon on a 4750-G. Your OS & database on SSD? Also, I’m using Pi4 into DAC exactly as I was with Roon. Just replaced Ropieee with RopieeeXL because it includes Squeezelite. Streaming to my DAC and various Chromecast Audio devices has worked out the box with no glitches. It has universal search too.

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Doesn’t mean it’s a priority. Blind Freddie would’ve known it’s an unpopular move, they did it anyway because they’ve never cared about anything that they didn’t personally prioritise. Box sets are a great example of that, and there are many others.

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Indeed it doesn’t. But I was replying to you saying this about the number of votes being low:

Nope, it’s low because it’s not something the team at Roon care about

However, the count isn’t low, in context of all other requests. The priority is low, though. Or zero right now.

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Of course, some sort of guarantee is the legitimate expectation of only those lifers who have yet to break even on their subscription.

Yes on a nuc i3 with m2 ssd. Sorry but compared to Roon it’s just slow and sluggish also the layout just isn’t for me.

However, the count is extremely low in terms of the subscriber base. About 0.1%?

Yes, and this does not matter at all. All this tells us is that many Roon users are not on the forum, many existing forum accounts are not active, and even less are participating in voting at all.

If the absolute number mattered, the only conclusion you could draw is that no requests should ever be implemented and Roon is perfect, if even the one with the highest number of votes reaches only 0.1%. Clearly this makes no sense at all.

Clearly, the best measure we have is the relation of votes versus other requests, and it means something if one particular request racked up the by far highest number of votes among all requests, and in a very short amount of time as well.

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But this is exactly the situation. There are many long-running requests going back 5 years or more. I don’t think it’s a mystery why that is.

That’s maybe valid criticism of Roon development pace. (Although the previously most frequent one was implemented, ARC)

However, Roon not developing fast enough for some tastes* says nothing about the merit of a request, or how much it is desired by users - which I thought your statement was about

(* While some users say “too many updates and changes”, to be fair)

Regular forum posters have always been a tiny minority of the subscriber base. It’s probably the case that roon pays some kind of attention to forum opinion but its very unrepresentative at the end of the day. It doesn’t make any sense that roon will pay any more attention to a feature request with 300 votes (0.1%) versus one with 30 votes (0.01%). Its all tiny numbers.

I think you are talking about something completely different than I was in the context that was given, and I have no idea what you are arguing for or against. (The post I originally replied to in this context was saying that the number of votes on this request was supposedly low because Roon does not care about it, hence my reply that the number is not low in the context of all votes given)

But anyway, yes it’s small absolute numbers, and obviously it’s not the only metric. Nevertheless the size relation between different requests is valid information, and the best we as forum users have. Roon may have additional info from market research. And of course in the end it’s their choice what they want to invest time in, and in which direction they want Roon go to. It’s “feature suggestions” for a reason.

I know this statement, but the dependencies back then were of a complete different magnitude as today.
I’m am quite sure this statement still holds, but I am only quite sure, so a confirmation would be much appreciated. :slight_smile:

The clarification from Danny in the linked thread was on Sep 28, after the release of 2.0 and the internet requirement

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