Roon cannot queue more than 5100 tracks at a time

[Eli_Barbie]

Hi

I’m on the latest version of Roon and Roon server running on a 12th gen i7 32GB PC with Windows 11. I have about 103000 tracks in my library. ANY other software such as Foobar2000 or Jriver can play all of my tracks in sequential or random order w/o a problem, but Roon will only load about 5050 tracks to the queue no matter what I do. In sequential playback, this gets me to the letter A.

Is this a bug? I already tried clean Windows 11 and Roon installations. But the problem persists.
Roon is also very sluggish to respond (unlike Jriver which is capable of browsing through my entire 100K+ tracks withing seconds).

Why would Roon refuse to load all of my tracks like Jriver? Please see a video screen capture of the issue

Thanks

[ged_hickman1]

The queue is limited to 5000 tracks. There is at least one feature request for longer queue if you want to add your vote to that.

[Eli_Barbie]

As far as I understand, the 5000-track limit only applied to shuffle playback, not the sequential “all tracks” playback.

[Traian_Boldea]

mine is limited to 9300 or something around this number

and a little bit less for shuffle

I suspect that there are some tracks that choke the loading
I did test on a Keith Jarrett composition. Select all from the composition page and add to playlist. There were fewer tracks on the playlist. Until I found one track that was stopping the loading. After removing that from the selection the playlist loaded much more tracks (I do not remember if all). I found no evident properties for that track to understand why it did that.

@killdozer maybe can provide more info as I know he did test with huge queues

[Traian_Boldea]

There can be something like this as the next shuffle from the tracks home page gives me another number

And so on:

And looks like I can add to the queue

[Eli_Barbie]

So a 60$ software like Jriver is more powerful and robust than $800 software? Jriver will allow me to scroll through my entire 104000 tracks from start to end at once and play them all in any order… This makes no sense.

[Traian_Boldea]

Now it would not be fair to judge any app from a single point of view.

No app is perfect and sometimes I need more of them to get my work done. An all in one app is an ideal but likely not technically possible.

But every user chooses his apps depending on their needs, prefs, money, etc

[ged_hickman1]

I think I remembered a v1.8 limit. Getting old

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@Traian_Boldea

Now it would not be fair to judge any app from a single point of view

Being reasonable again

[killdozer (Brutalise me with music)]

I can confirm that I did have some real fun and games with a pathologically long queue at some 30K+ tracks and more than a month’s playtime. This resulted from a misguided attempt to listen to all the music I owned but had never played in Roon. I stopped when this happened:

Let's talk about what's Moving and Grooving you today [2023-03]

Having to take a break from Mahler yet again and the queue now believes it’s playing 3 tracks at once despite the length of them: [image] Might even take that as an excuse to shut Mahler down, it’s pretty safe to say that I’m not a fan. Anyways onto something slightly more entertaining, but it’s an album I’ve always been a bit “meh” about: [image]

There were other oddities as well. Play history stopped working days before. If your developer minded, a peruse of the Roon node web API gives some hints as to why this might cause issues. I suspect that Roon is “state heavy” on the core some…

[AndyR (Andy)]

No. They just have a different set of compromises.
If your use case demands that you can queue 104k tracks, use JRiver…

[Traian_Boldea]

@killdozer

some hints

Really I’m failing before roon.
So I attempt to break it by pressing shuffle.
Looks like he can do it so that gives me power to try more?

[ged_hickman1]

Along with the UI from hell, I gave up on it in about 2013.

[AndyR (Andy)]

… but you don’t need to queue 104k tracks…

[Traian_Boldea]

I give up before I can break it

[Traian_Boldea]

Still better than any radio

[Traian_Boldea]

I feel like I have to apologise to @Eli_Barbie

This floated away from your original post. I get your frustration

Try a work around, to split your list in to genre or years. I know is settling for 1/2 of your goal but it happens
Enjoy

[Eli_Barbie]

How? How did you manage to queue more than ~5K? I’ve tried everything. Only Jriver, Kodi, and Foobar2000 are able to queue all 100K+ tracks and play them in any order with zero delays. Roon takes 10 seconds to queue 5K tracks out of the 100K+ I want to play all my music for a few hours a day so I can cherry-pick tracks I like and add them to an existing TAG. Is that too much to ask from an 800$ software?

[Traian_Boldea]

I’ve added them in batches. One batch is around 9K tracks.

Like in your older post I do not have a clear answer to why you can do 5K others more and other less.

@Eli_Barbie

I want to play all my music for a few hours a day so I can cherry-pick tracks I like and add them to an existing TAG.

Then make different queues (maybe 500 tracks) based on you last played

@Eli_Barbie

Is that too much to ask from an 800$ software?

I also dream of a world that meets my expectations, and so much frustration because of that.

[Eli_Barbie]

How do you select which tracks to add from “all tracks”. I hit “play now” and Roon selects them alphabetically from 0 to A and I have no idea how do I continue from where Roon has stopped, say from B to C…