Roon Extension : RHEOS 2-way control & 192Hz/24bit Playback and Grouping on Denon/Marantz HEOS devices now in Extension Manager

peter_richardson · April 23, 2023, 11:30pm

Sorry to hear that.

Try reloading the app (if you are using extension manager) as sometimes the HEOS doesn’t report all the speakers.

If that doesn’t work I’ll troubleshoot with you! Let me know your set up.

TODD_LEWIS · April 23, 2023, 11:37pm

Its ok, I have a ubuntu vm running on a QNAP NAS. Really works great with RHEOS .5.2-1. After .6 applies as I said it doesn’t pickup all the speakers even though it lists 6 and sometimes 7, not sure where its getting 7 from as I only have 6. I have rebooted the vm and still no success. So I have to restore to an earlier snapshot to get .5.2-1 back. Not sure what to look for in the code or app when this goes to .6

peter_richardson · April 24, 2023, 2:19am

Are you using a docker image or installing from GitHub?

TODD_LEWIS · April 24, 2023, 1:31pm

It’s from Github

peter_richardson · April 24, 2023, 3:35pm

Thanks.

I may need to make an adjustment to that code too to align with the docker images.

Will get to it asap. Not sure what is going on, so will test.

TODD_LEWIS · April 24, 2023, 5:38pm

Does the version of Appgineer have anything to do with it? I’m at 1.1.2.
Just to be clear because its a little confusing the extension authorization is from LINVALE/RHEOS. Is this the site you are working with? Also why is it auto-updating? Because this is beta shouldn’t there be a choice to update or not?

Piotr_Pekala · April 25, 2023, 6:37pm

Hi Peter,

Some more observations:

Playback to stereo group doesn’t work at all. Roon and RHEOS think they are playing but there is no sound. HEOS doesn’t show playback neither.
Surprisingly the signal path is not typical and shows attempt to send 44,1 kHz:

Playback to non-stereo group works but:

differently depending whether group was created in HEOS or Roon
shows resampling to 44,1 kHz in Roon but HEOS displays 192/24.
when group was created in Roon then usually 3 devices are displayed as grouped:

Fortunately you can still set a stereo group and play to the first device in this group. Then everything still works fine

patrick_mccarthy · April 25, 2023, 6:57pm

This is an interesting observation - I let Peter know sometimes my groups would not play, now I realize its because I have a stereo group in the rheos-roon-grouping…and if I use the roon group, signal path is great, when I do get rheos group to play, its 'green" (also, it sets the volume to 100 at start)…

@peter_richardson - hopefully this feedback is helpful and not discouraging. I use your add-in every day with roon, just for now, I dont use the rheos group feature…

Patrick

peter_richardson · April 26, 2023, 2:42am

Thanks both.

Feedback much appreciated.

Made some changes to simplify and will upload tomorrow after resting myself.

Peter

peter_richardson · April 27, 2023, 2:49am

Ok - the changes now have the fixed grouo at the top of the list rather than at the bottom so the group is identified by the name you create + the number of players in the HEOS group. The “fixed” player is at the top of the list and controls all volumes.

I have been looking at stereo groups - which can not be crested in the RHEOS app. Once set as a Stereo group in HEOS they appear as a single device to ROON. If you want to switch between stereo grouping and independent players you will need to use the HEOS app - sorry.

If you start the app with the players separate you can enable or disable either player in Roon as needed and select as a stereo pair or independent in HEOS.

I continue to look at what the signal path is in various settings.

Let me know how the new approach works for you please.

Piotr_Pekala · April 27, 2023, 7:42am

For my use case any way to play to a fixed stereo group is fine. I don’t need to modify that group at all.
So all RHEOS versions I’ve seen so far are perfectly fine for me.

Bas_Verlee · April 27, 2023, 1:32pm

My Roon core is running on a SonicTransporter. I also installed Roon Extension Manager version 0.11.9 since I want to use Rheos however I cannot find it under Device Control / extension. Is it only available on version 1.1.2?

@agillis are you planning to upgrade Extension Manager?

peter_richardson · April 27, 2023, 2:44pm

Yes. That is correct. The old version is obsolete.

To install Jan’s helpful WIKI is the place to go:

Bas_Verlee · May 12, 2023, 7:39pm

Do you just need to have RHEOS or do you also need to have Roon Extension Manager (from the Appgineer) to make RHEOS work?

patrick_mccarthy · May 12, 2023, 7:41pm

its one or the other. the Extension Manager is probably easiest for most. my docker setup wont let the extension manager do certain things it wants to do and i am too lazy to figure that out, so I run the rheos docker image standalone.

peter_richardson · May 12, 2023, 9:19pm

Extension manager makes it easier but you can run with the docker image direct if you prefer and know how.

I am working on an issue with fixed groups that needed me to revert to 0.5.xx version in the extension manager (this is now very stable). Will be updating 0.6 xx in the Docker roon-extension-heos:test - probably next week as I am travelling from tomorrow.

Meanwhile the functionality from earlier versions is there for playing separate players or “variable” ie ROON groups - just I wanted to address the input from Patrick and others regarding the approach to fixed (way more complicated than I thought!).

Thanks

Peter

patrick_mccarthy · May 12, 2023, 10:29pm

Thanks @peter_richardson , you know the saying, no good deed goes unpunished

The fixed feature would be nice, but the app is awesome with or without it. I only run the :test docker image now so I can be on the bleeding edge of your development… do your worst

Did anyone else have the same volume issues I was having? I have not tested fixed groups recently BUT I finally figured out why my macvlan network wasnt allowing some dns calls out which MAY have impacted my environment where you try to talk to HEOS…

[for those that want to know, portainer on synology docker works wonders, but I think it fights with synology docker sometimes when you do advanced network setups and my network db (local-kv.db) was partially corrupt. Upside: learned tons fixing it and now I can use Portainer Stacks to deploy my networks in docker which stops the potential corruption.]

So, I will take another pass at the GROUPs in my RHEOS - the extension shows Version 0.6.4-3 - just checking this is a good version to test Groups for you again, or should I wait until you push a new :test docker image?

kind regards,
Patrick

Bas_Verlee · May 28, 2023, 11:34pm

I have RHEOS set up but my Marantz AVR does not appear as playback device under ROON Settings → Audio. Did anyone experience this issue? Roon Core is running on a SonicTransporter, RHEOS is running on a Synology server (Docker). I can playback on the Marantz AVR via AirPlay.

peter_richardson · May 29, 2023, 12:17am

Hi Bas,

Have you checked squeezebox support is enabled?

Enable Squeezebox Support via Setup → Enable squeezebox support

Let me know and I’ll try to troubleshoot.

Patrick’s section on installing on a synology NAS with docker might be helpful - but it looks like you have it installed and it’s a squeezebox setup issue.

I pushed 6.5 out today - did you pull from latest or from the test image?

Thanks for trying - how’s the Cinema 50 sounding?

patrick_mccarthy · May 29, 2023, 12:36am

A few things to test…when I rebuild the docker image sometimes I have to revoke the extension permission in roon settings and allow the new one as it creates a new instance for roon…always check this going forward

Also, I typically restart the extension at least one extra time after first boot and after any change in settings (like going from cd to hi res in settings)…it seems certain things only handshake at rheos startup…

And silly question have to ask… AVR is on same network? And AVR has standby enable in it’s settings

Patrick