Roon incorrectly groups albums together

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Japanese edition by 友川かずき
未発表ライブ

This collection consists of 10 CDs, each different life recordings.

Room shows me only 4 of the 10 CDs, the rest is grouped into “1 CD” with different versions.

Have you made any edits to this content in Roon?

No

Is the album identified in Roon?

No

Is this content from local files, TIDAL, or Qobuz?

Local flac

From a correctly classified as separate album, the metaflac output (without the embedded jpeg):

METADATA block #2
  type: 4 (VORBIS_COMMENT)
  is last: false
  length: 229
  vendor string: reference libFLAC 1.4.2 20221022
  comments: 7
    comment[0]: ARTIST=友川かずき
    comment[1]: ALBUM=未発表ライブ10枚組Box DISC2 早稲田大学1989年
    comment[2]: TITLE=燃えさかる家
    comment[3]: DATE=2013
    comment[4]: TRACKNUMBER=01
    comment[5]: TRACKTOTAL=13
    comment[6]: CDDB=ba0d470d

From one that is bunched together with several other CDs despite being separate recording:

METADATA block #2
  type: 4 (VORBIS_COMMENT)
  is last: false
  length: 236
  vendor string: reference libFLAC 1.4.2 20221022
  comments: 7
    comment[0]: ARTIST=友川かずき
    comment[1]: ALBUM=未発表ライブ10枚組Box DISC1 京都市立芸大1985年11月24日
    comment[2]: TITLE=サーカス
    comment[3]: DATE=2013
    comment[4]: TRACKNUMBER=01
    comment[5]: TRACKTOTAL=12
    comment[6]: CDDB=9f0d350c

Screenshot of import settings

Under Settings > Library I only see

  • Library maintainance
  • Background audio analysis speed: Fast (4 cores)
  • One-demand audio analysis speed: Fast

Description of the issue

\The library shows me 未発表ライブ10枚組Box as CD with 7 library version, each one being a different CD of the 10 CD set.

Are the discs properly tagged with disc number? The"DISC1" etc in comments probably won’t suffice. Maybe this helps?

It seems that you may need to scroll? This is what’s meant:

I use all 3 tricks with boxsets:

  1. Each album in its own folder: boxset-name/album-disc 1, boxset-name/album-disc 2, etc.

  2. Tracks are prefixed with disk number, eg: 1-01 trackname, 1-02 trackname… 2-01 trackname, etc.

  3. Filetags edited (outside of Roon): disk 1 of 10, disk 2 of 10, etc.

Hi all

Thanks for the hints.
Concerning tags, I would prefer to have them as separate CDs, because they have separate titles (the venue and date) which would be lost when they are just Disc n/m.

Concerning import options:

I don’t see all these options on Android phone.


This is all I get.
Is the android client that restricted?

Thanks

Even if you import them as a multi-disc set, it is still possible to have per-track recording dates and locations. (However, different albums covers per CD are then not possible)

But preferring them as separate CDs is also fine. Then you have to edit the file tags accordingly. Many people do that with multi-disc box sets because, e.g., of the limitation with album covers otherwise. It may mean that Roon cannot identify them automatically and you may have to trigger the identification for each CD manually, but it may work (depending on the available metadata in Roon). If you search the forum for multi disc or box set, you will find a lot of detailed discussion about people’s approaches.

Ah, yes. Not Android, but phone (iPhone as well). The phone clients are meant mostly for playback and basic control options due to size constraints. Tablet (Android and iPad) and desktop versions have much more features. Not just regarding library but also metadata editing within Roon, DSP configuration, etc.

Thanks, that is the reason I would prefer them separately, since each one has a distinctive painting by Tomokawa on the cover. I will search the forum, but I found that I just need to trick Roon in not recognizing the CDs by instead of having a " " (space) between the title and the “DiscN”, I can use a Japanese full-width space or another non-blank character to ensure the CD is not identified. Then the completely sufficient tag information in the flac file should be used, and they are the correct ones.

Oh, that is bad, I don’t own any tablet, just iPhone and Android mobiles. And I am a Linux user. Guess I need to reboot into Windows at some point (what a pain). Since it is a Mono program, why don’t they compile it for Linux is beyond my understanding, though.

Thanks

Norbert

I would think that if you put them into separate folders and tag them CD 1 of 1, they may stay separate anyway. Not sure but I think the many box set experts on the forum have found ways

You can run the Windows remote in Wine :slight_smile: (possibly with the slight issue that CPU usage on one core is high, depending, but else it works perfectly). Lots of info on the forum as well. There is even an install script:

Thanks for all your suggestion. Yes, roon on wine I have (had) running already, patched it myself to work with Roon2. But well, the CPU load is a pain. I guess I will only use it during configuration, and otherwise use the roon web component that works nicely, or the roon command line.

Thanks and all the best

Norbert

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Yeah, that and the comparatively poor quality of Intel laptops finally drove me into Apple’s golden cage after 3 decades of purely Linux

Hmmm, cannot agree with that. I have a Lenovo X1 Carbon and that is an excellent device. OTOH, the M1 Pro I got for work is painful for development (might be good if I only would do audio…). And with pipewire running, I can drive all my DACs etc at their full capabilities.

I still don’t grasp why Roon doesn’t provide Linux builds… it is C#/Mono :frowning:

I know the Lenovo X1 Carbon and the usual other small form factor top class laptops, they all suck compared to an Air M2 :slight_smile: Don’t get me started about the design failure that are the ThinkPad trackpads and their stupid button placement :wink:

I guess it is about getting used to things. The M2 I don’t know, but the keyboard on the M1 is a PITA, with incredibly inconveniently placed keys, feeling like the worst keyboard I have used in years.

It is about what you are used to!

Well I was used to Intel desktops and laptops with Linux for decades and loved the Air from day one. The trackpad and well-thought out and consistent multi-finger gestures are a dream.

The keyboard is a question of getting used to, that’s true, and it could to with more printed combination hints. But it goes quickly to remember the placement and combinations with the help of the keyboard viewer in the menu bar.

However, my thumbs will never grow out on the other side of my hands where ThinkPad trackpad designers think that they are. Placing the thumb buttons above the trackpad is the dumbest thing I ever saw. It only works for nipple users and I am not one. (Well, the dumbest thing short of Dell’s XPS 13 hardware design failures)

And that’s before we get to stuff like still having stupid fans on the one side and on the other side no fans, real 20 hours of battery while kicking Intel’s performance ass, and being able to wirelessly extend the screen to the iPad with a mouse flick. I feel like I’m living in the future now. (And I can even open the lid without needing two hands. Take a look, Dell)

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