Roon Radio: from Bach to Taylor Swift?

(anp) #1

Hi
So I’m playing Bach- The Art of The Fugue from my internal drive and set Roon to go to Roon Radio when it finishes and …it gives me Taylor Swift as the first track!
I wasn’t aware of a connection between these two artists? :slight_smile:

Roon Radio is all over the place for me…do I need to set some preferences somewhere or ‘educate’ the AI? I’m relatively new to Roon

Thanks.
Andy

#2

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(Martin Kelly) #3

Perhaps she’s his great, great, great, great, great, GREAT granddaughter? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

(anp) #4

Ha ha you never know.
Black Jack…yes but that’s not working. I’ve had the trial and I’m a month in so it’s had 2 months of AI learning and there is absolutely nothing in my library or my tastes that in any way indicates Taylor Swift …so it’s really not working or not listening correctly somehow. This is not the only example of really bizarre choice I have to say.

#5

I think there must be a problem with the tagged metadata in Roon’s database.

Although classical music is not one of my main listening genres, I happen to have a high resolution download of Angela Hewitt’s - “Bach - The Art of the Fugue” in my NAS and so I decided to try to replicate your experience using Roon Radio.

I succeeded. In my case, the final track from this album was followed by a track from Bachman Turner Overdrive - pretty much as unrelated in any way as your Taylor Swift experience. I did notice that Roon flashed up a message of “Nothing similar found - limiting Roon Radio to Library” as it approached the end of the final track.

I tried to replicate this issue with other classical music in my collection (including a number of other Bach recitals), but each of these generated an appropriate choice by Roon Radio.

Perhaps something for @support to check out?

I have found that Roon Radio generally works superbly well for my tastes in music, and I now have very many Tidal albums in my collection that I would not have encountered without Roon Radio…

(anp) #6

Thanks for doing that.
Lets see what support says.
Best
Andy

(Dylan Caudill) #8

Hi @anp,

Can you share a screenshot of this album that you were playing in Roon?

(Martin Kelly) #9

Perhaps this is the connection?

Now that is random! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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(anp) #10

Sadly not …it was two days ago now.

(anp) #11

Ha!

Well maybe that’s the answer…who knows!

(Martin Kelly) #12

‘Artificial Intelligence’? Thank goodness they’re not ‘in charge’! Otherwise Bach would be relegated to just another bit of a tree! :wink:

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#13

HI Dylan,

I replicated anp’s issue with the same album (I believe). Here it is:

On the first occasion I tried it, Roon Radio followed up with a Bachman Turner Overdrive track.

On this occasion it has returned a Dave Alvin track - see this screenshot:

(anp) #14

Thanks!
In my case it was the Evgeni Koroliov version so not player dependent.

(Ralph Pantuso) #15

Best. Seque. Ever.

All kidding aside, Roon Radio really struggles with music that’s not “pop” or “rock”.

Please rename this discussion to “Roon Radio Howlers”

(Dylan Caudill) #16

Hi @hmack,

Looking at the album you’ve shared above, it appears that the album is not identified and it does not have any genres associated with the album, so the amount of information Radio would have is very minimal.

@anp, is this the same for the album in your library that you experienced this with?

(anp) #17

Mmm : title, primary artist and album artist, release date are all present but the Meta Data Preference tab is not filled in at all. Could it be that? Do I have to select ‘Prefer Roon’?

(Dylan Caudill) #18

Hi @anp,

Can you share a screenshot of this album in your library?