Show us your signal path

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Nothing special going on here. Just VL to -18LUFS.

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Ouch, what a crappy high res remaster if it requires -10 dB Volume leveling to get to -18 LUFS. That is about 4-6 dB of dynamic range compression added to this album.

See the dynamic range specs of this album across numerous releases of the past 40 years:

And then see the not so pretty specs of the 96 kHz remaster here:

https://www.prostudiomasters.com/album/page/263174

AJ

Neither version I have (1990 & 2024) are listed on DR DB. Roon shows the DR of 7 for the 2024 remaster.

The 1990 is a CD rip (A&M CD-3240). Roon shows the DR of 9.

I am aware Roon doesn’t show the typical DR as listed on the DR DB website.

Regardless, I still like both versions.

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In the living room on headphones so as not to disturb family.
I’ll get to the listening room with the main rig later.

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What 1990 CD? There is no 1990 CD, per se.

“Paradise Theater” was released on CD for the first time in 1983-1984 under catalog number CD-3719, which was changed not long thereafter to CD-3240 and remained in print for decades. Just one or a small number of very similar masterings existed on CD. The only overt remasters on physical media were in Japan. Regardless, all A&M CDs and Japan remasters have showed remarkably stable and similar dynamic range metrics — likely reflecting the native dynamics of the master tapes. That is until the crushed 2024 digital only remaster.

I suggest you try playing the CD-3240 mastering. If Roon has to attenuate the 2024 digital only remaster -10 dB to get to -18 LUFS, I bet it cuts CD-3240 only in the -5 dB range to get to the same -18 LUFS.

AJ

So sorry sir for playing the wrong music :saluting_face:

I forgot you can hear what I play :roll_eyes:

Well, you answered your own question :partying_face:

From experience in comparison between Roon’s DR and the DR DB, a 9 via Roon is likely to be a 12 or 13 on DR DB

I’ll be sure to send them a memo

“Dear Sirs

Andrew J Shepherd says…….”

There are plenty of ‘not so good’ recordings/masterings out there, but I feel it’s rather impolite to make yourself the sole authority on it to make a user feel he’s listening to the wrong material. In future I’ll only listen to music that’s above -4db when VL to -18LUFS to ensure I meet your approval.

Shock, I listen to low quality mp3 rips of some of my favourite music.

Got to dash, I have some -12db corrected albums to listen to.

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For AJ


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And take a breath! It’s only a forum!

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You’re correct @Glimmer

Not feeling fantastic this morning.

Apologies for sniping back @WiWavelength
I just need to accept your bluntness

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Sorry you are not feeling too chipper.

Take care and feel good soon.

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Settle down. You greatly misread my post.

Did I ever criticize you personally? I levied a shot at what is yet another needlessly adulterated high resolution remaster that deviates from a long established consensus dynamic envelope for this album.

I suggested that you play your CD-3240 rip simply to demonstrate that it likely matches the other CD-3240 masterings in the Dynamic Range DB and probably requires close to my prediction of around -5 dB Volume leveling to get to -18 LUFS, meaning that it has about 4-6 dB more dynamic range than the remaster.

Who are you, by the way? You do not sound like you just joined in April. You sound like a disgruntled user who closed a previous account and now has returned for more.

AJ

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The poster has said he’s not feeling too good, so it might be a good idea to show some humanity and move on. He has apologised and that should be enough.

This could be a place for like minded people to come together and discuss the hobby, admittedly we are a broad church and won’t reach agreement all the time.

Peace and love

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It’s fine @Glimmer
I actually find some of what AJ writes as being very funny due to the directness.

No, that’s on me :folded_hands:

You’re spot on here :+1:

A question I ask myself daily
But
It would appear I’m a penguin puppet that can get cross

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Fitting music with the weather currently outside…

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Well my daily NUC and my file server are powered by Minty Penguins :smiley:

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A super simple path for a super simple guy. Using SIMGOT SuperMix 4 IEMs, so (for me) there’s no need to use DSP.

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@SukieInTheGraveyard …and an absolutely phenomenal album you are playing.

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