Ouch, what a crappy high res remaster if it requires -10 dB Volume leveling to get to -18 LUFS. That is about 4-6 dB of dynamic range compression added to this album.
See the dynamic range specs of this album across numerous releases of the past 40 years:
And then see the not so pretty specs of the 96 kHz remaster here:
https://www.prostudiomasters.com/album/page/263174
AJ
Neither version I have (1990 & 2024) are listed on DR DB. Roon shows the DR of 7 for the 2024 remaster.
The 1990 is a CD rip (A&M CD-3240). Roon shows the DR of 9.
I am aware Roon doesn’t show the typical DR as listed on the DR DB website.
Regardless, I still like both versions.
In the living room on headphones so as not to disturb family.
I’ll get to the listening room with the main rig later.
What 1990 CD? There is no 1990 CD, per se.
“Paradise Theater” was released on CD for the first time in 1983-1984 under catalog number CD-3719, which was changed not long thereafter to CD-3240 and remained in print for decades. Just one or a small number of very similar masterings existed on CD. The only overt remasters on physical media were in Japan. Regardless, all A&M CDs and Japan remasters have showed remarkably stable and similar dynamic range metrics — likely reflecting the native dynamics of the master tapes. That is until the crushed 2024 digital only remaster.
I suggest you try playing the CD-3240 mastering. If Roon has to attenuate the 2024 digital only remaster -10 dB to get to -18 LUFS, I bet it cuts CD-3240 only in the -5 dB range to get to the same -18 LUFS.
AJ
So sorry sir for playing the wrong music ![]()
I forgot you can hear what I play ![]()
Well, you answered your own question ![]()
From experience in comparison between Roon’s DR and the DR DB, a 9 via Roon is likely to be a 12 or 13 on DR DB
I’ll be sure to send them a memo
“Dear Sirs
Andrew J Shepherd says…….”
There are plenty of ‘not so good’ recordings/masterings out there, but I feel it’s rather impolite to make yourself the sole authority on it to make a user feel he’s listening to the wrong material. In future I’ll only listen to music that’s above -4db when VL to -18LUFS to ensure I meet your approval.
Shock, I listen to low quality mp3 rips of some of my favourite music.
Got to dash, I have some -12db corrected albums to listen to.
And take a breath! It’s only a forum!
You’re correct @Glimmer
Not feeling fantastic this morning.
Apologies for sniping back @WiWavelength
I just need to accept your bluntness
Sorry you are not feeling too chipper.
Take care and feel good soon.
Settle down. You greatly misread my post.
Did I ever criticize you personally? I levied a shot at what is yet another needlessly adulterated high resolution remaster that deviates from a long established consensus dynamic envelope for this album.
I suggested that you play your CD-3240 rip simply to demonstrate that it likely matches the other CD-3240 masterings in the Dynamic Range DB and probably requires close to my prediction of around -5 dB Volume leveling to get to -18 LUFS, meaning that it has about 4-6 dB more dynamic range than the remaster.
Who are you, by the way? You do not sound like you just joined in April. You sound like a disgruntled user who closed a previous account and now has returned for more.
AJ
The poster has said he’s not feeling too good, so it might be a good idea to show some humanity and move on. He has apologised and that should be enough.
This could be a place for like minded people to come together and discuss the hobby, admittedly we are a broad church and won’t reach agreement all the time.
Peace and love
It’s fine @Glimmer
I actually find some of what AJ writes as being very funny due to the directness.
No, that’s on me ![]()
You’re spot on here ![]()
A question I ask myself daily
But
It would appear I’m a penguin puppet that can get cross
A super simple path for a super simple guy. Using SIMGOT SuperMix 4 IEMs, so (for me) there’s no need to use DSP.
@SukieInTheGraveyard …and an absolutely phenomenal album you are playing.











