Bill_Janssen
(Wigwam wool socks now on asymmetrical isolation feet!)
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I don’t know about that. To me, they seem to be useless objects, pointless money sinks, fetish objects, really, deployed in the service of obsolete superstitions.
I say this because I’ve never seen any evidence that they actually fix anything or in any way have a positive effect on modern technology. Do you know where I can find such evidence?
It‘s always a good idea to have at least some experience when building an opinion. A pity you haven’t come across these „useless objects“.
Hearing with your own eyes is a different story than just reading measurements of devices and trying to relate that to sound quality.
Torben_Rick
(Torben - A Dane living in Hamburg - Roon Lifer)
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Yes - but it depends on your setup. I did have a PowerPlant 5 - or was ist PS5, can’t remember anymore - with my old setup. As I got my Linn Selekt DSM it was absolutely clear - SQ - I don’t need that anymore. The sound was better without the PowerPlant.
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Bill_Janssen
(Wigwam wool socks now on asymmetrical isolation feet!)
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I’d be perfectly happy to do so if there was any evidence that they actually addressed some issue. Otherwise it strikes me as being somewhat like travelling to Canada to hunt unicorns. Sure, I could do it. But really, there are so many other things I could be doing, too. Like arguing with strangers!
That paper you point to is not evidence; it is a marketing device from a company that sells many highly dubious fetish objects (e.g. fog lifters, noise stopper caps). We’ve discussed the paper before. It reviews a number of issues in power generation and transmission, in a perfectly sane fashion. But the most important sentence is in the first paragraph:
For most, it is enough that they can rely on a service tap from their power utility to supply the voltage and current our audio-video (A/V) components require.
Power conditioning of bad power is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But only if you have bad power. Even then, I’d get an electrician to fix the problem, not an audio hobbyist.
I’ve measured the Intona USB isolator making difference with quite many devices that don’t have galvanic isolation on their USB implementation. Nowadays I use it for measurements whenever necessary, especially when measuring unbalanced outputs where noises get through more easily.
Most typical thing you can see is that 8 kHz USB packet ticking disappears from the DAC output, especially typical behavior for XMOS based USB implementations.
For DAC-60 board (add-on that you plug into your amplifier card slot), the benefit was especially easy to hear. Without Intona with my ear next to tweeter I could hear chirping noises from the computer when the option card input was selected. When I added Intona’s isolator, that disappeared and became completely silent.
Intona’s USB isolator is not originally an audiophile product, it was primarily developed and made for industrial, measurement and medical use cases.
Actually, at the moment, all is working fine with this unmanaged cisco switch https://a.co/d/4IyMVph. I’m just making an update on my cables for BJC unshielded https://a.co/d/1i5VAtr . Currently, I have a mix of both.
Don’t really need SFP, but will be fun to test it in the future, have Intona on both of my DAC’s, don’t know if this helps, but still is nice to have a better network environment.
One question, if a device that is not related to the audio chain has a shielded cable connected to the same switch, will a ground loop affect the unshielded other cables ( I guess the answer is obvious as plastic UTP will protect it from ground loops)
Thanks!
Torben_Rick
(Torben - A Dane living in Hamburg - Roon Lifer)
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I think it would be best to use CAT6 U/UTP connected to your switch. I only have one short 0.5 meter (Prysmian Draka UC900 Super Screen 27 CAT6A S-FTP/PIMF - RJ45 Hirose TM31 CAT6A connector) from my FMC to DAC. The rest is Telegärtner CAT6 U/UTP - but BJC is just fine if you live in the US (high shipping cost if you live in Europe)
Note that three prong mains plugs and receptacles in the US, UK, Italy, and many other countries are asymmetric, but standard German Schuko may be mated both ways.
Especially with large transformers in linear power supplies, it makes sense to have the live end connected at the inner winding side.
That helps to reduce the stray field, often resulting in a measurably lower voltage potential between protective earth and signal ground.
When connected via single ended audio cables, that potential difference causes equalization currents to flow through the signal cable grounds between system components, possibly audibly worsening the signal to noise ratio.
So, with Schuko connectors, it may be advisable to measure both mains connection orientations between components‘ RCA signal grounds sans RCA cabling with a multimeter and use the plug orientation causing the least AC voltage potential.
You should not be able to damage anything that way, but remember to never unplug RCA‘s with components turned on and unplug speaker wires at the amp while off before fumbling around - I‘m not liable if you fry stuff by doing stupid things…
If using an AC filtering device with large transformer(s) and/or chokes, make sure to test its plug orientation also…