So no Spotify lossless yet but I’ve just discovered in Qobuz they have public playlists. This was one of the reasons I wanted to switch to Spotify or Apple Music. Not sure when this feature was added but you can make and share playlists with the public and view ones they’re created. Can also setup collaborative playlists so people can add to it.
I didn’t know about any of this because these playlists don’t show up in roon search. You have to find them in Qobuz app and then subscribe. After that you’ll see them in roon playlists section and the search. Put in a request for roon for these to show up in their search.
So now with this feature and roon ARC, might not have much reason to look elsewhere. I guess having a large catalog is still something the others have. Qobuz has closed the gap over the years but hasn’t caught up yet.
While they are slowly catching up they have one issue that I’ve found to be a deal breaker.
Unlike Spotify, when artists or labels mess with their albums, they change the copy. What this results in is a previous version of the album that you liked is now unavailable. Ok so no big deal, go to the artist and add the album again along with all the tracks.
Problem being I have about 1300 albums and 5000+ tracks. Scrolling through the qobuz app shows that an alarming number of my tracks and albums have been marked as unavailable.
There is no automated way I know of to fix this especially as it’s broken by Qobuz.
Spotify by comparison never does this. To me the reliability of Spotify is actually pretty valuable. I’ve been using it since a couple of years after launch and none of my music has been missing or unplayable.
I always wondered why that would happen. But yeah I was going to version and try the other available and then remove the bad copy. I normally don’t listen to playlists, so this wasn’t too much trouble. Not sure how this will effect public playlists thought.
It doesn’t affect playlists, it affects my library. If I go listen to an album it no longer plays.
It would be fine if it happened on a small scale but scrolling through Qobuz it looks like around 20% of my library so far. That will only get worse over time it seems.
I do love these “we found it in the code” stories. If I ran a big software company with consumer relevance I might just bait the reportariat by stubbing out some crazy features in my code as a pure PR move.
Do many roon user’s use Spotify now or are users waiting for the hi-fi tier to subscribe?.
I’m not sure I understand the interest, I’m genuinely curious.
Are we expecting roon integration?
Will it pass bit perfect to USB DACs?
I suppose it will be an option for people where Arc is unreliable, but we have the native Tidal or Qobuz apps that offer the above, Tidal especially with the gapless connect protocol.
I mean you could pay for a years Qobuz and subscribe to Tidal monthly hi-fi plan for little more than Spotify hi-fi will reportedly cost.
No. There is no motivation for Spotify to integrate with Roon. They would actually see Roon as a negative for their business. Spotify wants to control the user experience and monitor user actions.
Not at all interested at any price or resolution. As mentioned previously I ditched Spotify due to their over-internet implementation of Connect. Anyway, I have all I need streaming-wise with Tidal and Qobuz.
Spotify has the largest library available and some of the best discovery features and the only platform with social features. Plenty of reasons to use Spotify.
I’m actually more interested in the new library features. To me the killer feature in Roon is the focus feature. Spotify is supposedly adding that along with smart playlists (something I love from Apple Music)
With this new tier they are adding something closer to Roons focus (obviously nowhere near as detailed it’s just genre, mood etc). One thing that has killed my experience in Roon is the constant unavailable track problem in Qobuz. With this new tier maybe I get some of Roon but with the rock solid library integrity of Spotify. To me that’s worth paying for.
Roon have previously commented that Spotify have no interest in integration with Roon, despite trying . conversely while only Lossy I guess Roon has no interest in Spotify. Lossless may change that view.
I understand that Spotify want their users to use their software and not a 3rd party software where they have access to usage data. I have a Cambridge Audio CXN and a Naim Uniti Atom HE both supporting Spotify but only launching the Spotify app internally , not their own software.
Isn’t this just a location problem, the album is still available but it’s “path” has changed , so you “favourite” in your library holds the old path, I suspect Roon keeping track of these changes and updating each personal library is simply too much.
I can appreciate the frustration, it’s not a feature I use much as I have a local library with Tidal as a “top up”
Yeah this appears to be the case everywhere. Both my Cambridge Audio’s CXNv2’s and WiiM Mini’s respective apps have a Spotify Connect option. But both will launch the Spotify app.
I’ve used Spotify in the past. But I’ve moved away from them years ago. Now Qobuz and Tidal fulfill my needs very well. With Apple Music, being part of my Apple One subscription, occasionally receiving some playtime as well. Especially when it comes to Apple’s playlists and radio stations.
Spotify is out of the picture here. A possible Hifi upgrade isn’t going to change that.
Absolutely zero interest in using Spotify. We have it for the kids but I never touch it. Apps horrible and full of noise. Never found any of its suggestions that great after a while all very predictable. When Tidal first came to the UK many moons ago I shifted straight away.
To me it’s very much for the playlist generation which really isn’t me. I don’t like that I have to use their app which is likely tracking everything you do. It’s not laid out well ant all.
Also I am just not using streaming like I used to. It’s purely for discovery not hoarding. With its reliance on internet I want my music to be available offline and on what I want with any software I choose. Another reason I am using other software than Roon as well.