I’ve made this complaint several times before and I will continue to raise this issue until I get some form a response from team Roon.
The elephant that I’m referring to is the lack of information and metadata available for just about 100% of all new jazz releases on Tidal and Qobuz. All one gets is the name of the artist or group and the record label. That is it. So a great new release by a tenor sax player, which features some really good playing by the piano player leaves one with idea who that grat piano player is. Roon hyperlinking is nonexistent and the entire Roon experience becomes a giant disappointment.
Roon needs to reach out to Tidal and Qobuz and tell them how the lack of useful information and metadata on new releases goes against everything that Roon is promising to their paying users.
While I completely understand the sentiment, Tidal (and I don’t know about Qobuz) wouldn’t be of help here:
The metadata comes from MusicBrainz and TiVo/Allmusic. While the holes are regrettable, there aren’t any better ones as far as anyone can tell. (Discogs is sometimes good but inconsistent, but the data available via the API is apparently messy).
What’s really regrettable is that the labels can’t be bothered to spend 10 minutes to add an album’s metadata on these platforms
I’m getting the feeling that the answer to this issue will be like the answer to most tech issues/problems: blame someone else.
Just to be clear, pointing a finger at someone else doesn’t resolve the issue. The tech world needs a to learn the meaning of “the buck stops here” and “follow the money”. I pay Roon so as far as I’m concerned it’s Roon problem to fix.
I think it’s the music world‘s issue if they don’t provide the data. How is this the responsibility of the tech world? The tech world did their part and built the technical infrastructure.
Roon can’t add the metadata for the 100,000 albums that are released per year, that’s just not feasible. It seems much more realistic that each label adds their releases. It’s them who have the data as well.
Your point is well taken and I would like to agree with you except for the fact team Roon chooses to market their product (Roon) as this wonderful aggregator of all things metadata but then “it’s not our fault if there’s no metadata available”. In other words, bait and switch.
I agree about the marketing speak, but on the other hand there is no product in the world that advertises the limitations. Spotify doesn’t list the stuff that is missing or that the app doesn’t give you sane management options
Hopefully Roon, Spotify and the others are doing their best to minimize their shortcomings. Truthfully, I really don’t expect Roon to be the able to “fix” this worsening lack of metadata issue but I do fully expect Roon to at least acknowledge the issue/problem and communicate with their (paying) users what steps they are taking to improve things.
I know. I have made a few additions years ago, and I still get responses that are arguing this or that with me. I don’t have the nerves. I’m grateful that you do.
Plus, there is barely an album in Roon that has complete and error-free metadata, and this extends even to popular artists and albums. I could spend the rest of my waking life fixing them, and then have endless arguments about my edits.
My opinion remains that it’s the job of labels in this day and age.
I wondered as well and figured maybe because it’s a rant (even though justified) that is not actually a Support topic, which is why I recommended Feedback. Though IMHO it should have been moved there instead of unlisted
If so, it could simply have been reclassified by whoever unlisted the topic.
This was done two days ago, just when I visited this thread for the first time. It was done quietly, without feedback in the thread, and it’s these things occurring I very much dislike about moderation on this forum.
Everybody is entitled to his own conclusions about forum policies and their enforcement. This will be my last post here.
Indeed. And a little note about why would have been nice, just so that the people who are already in the thread have a reason and don’t spin conspiracies, which inevitably happens otherwise
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Having read some of the comments here I do feel it was a mistake to unlist it and it should have been either moved to Feedback as it’s not really a Metadata issue that Roon has any say or control over right now.
Or just closed down as an axe grinding inappropriate thread
