The Future of Roon

JRiver have had remote, out of home, playback for literally years . Well before ARC was conceived

Great idea

Your absolutely correct. I had not considered this but it’s an issue whichI trust that the development team could overcome.

This statement as well as my response are broad. Users frequently make assumptions without having proof. Performance depends on the task that a users asking a given software to perform and under a given set of conditions. The expectation is that a computer meets all minimum system requirements as well as any and all network guidelines outlined by Roon. Environment has an affect on connections as well therefore mileage may vary. It’s easy for users to blame Roon for performance issues rather than their network or their equipment. The software isn’t infallible yet it appears to get blamed for everything. Especially concerning matters of connectivity and performance.

Thank you, I have an account and I don’t have the foggiest idea how it works. I never knew its function/services. Thanks for this information. I created a Last.FM account when I started Roon 4 months ago as an experiment while reviewing Roon. I synced it to my Tidal account. Forgot all about it because I considered it to be something Social Media related (Not my kind of thing. This forum is my first venture at it). I’m finally reviewing the service tonight thanks to your post.

From your explanation I agree with you regarding Last.FM fulfilling at-least a sharing element but then again I beg to differ. This implementation is broken and I doubt there are plans on a roadmap to fix it. Roon Labs was a relatively small company (and still is I guess unless a number of new hires has changed that) until acquired by Harman International. Last.FM isn’t Tidal, this isn’t Qobuz, this is Last.FM. This partnership isn’t essential.

This is an outsourced service and one in which to some extent Roon can perform much of the work themselves. I would think Harman would eliminate this partnership as a matter of partnerships/practice. Who else in Samsung/Harmon’s lineup is working with Last.FM? I would think it to be a matter of user data (something very valuable to Harman especially following the ice age) That data is tied into growth. Sharing also is about expansion for these companies.

The sharing starts internally and then at some point you can share externally as well. Zoom, Microsoft Teams, Spotify, Apple Music, etc. Look’s like Last.FM specializes in a lot of user/music data collection. Why does and would Harman need to outsource this service to Last.FM? Look for future change. You mention that there is a link somewhere in the forum regarding how to share Last.FM profiles? That right there should tell us that the service isn’t user friendly. It sounds as though it’s essentially not in use or currently used by few. They would certainly wish to change that for their future client base.

@Matthew_Shields ,

I stayed on topic but maybe in my head alone so forgive me. I’m not Gung Ho for a sharing system in Roon though I would appreciate one. I plan to sign up for Last.FM’s Pro plan not for any sharing purposes but because I’m curious about what the data reveals. I guess I’ve never talked to anyone online before except for here. This is about as online social as I get. All of you have been wonderful company.

Anyway, I was trying to move the ball forward in a slight of hand kind of way. The future of Roon is change.

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Matthew posted the link further up, you add your profile details within your Roon profile itself, then everything you play within Roon is scrobbled to Lastfm.
The post I referenced was just to allow people to “out” their lastfm profile on this forum and there’s no actual need to do that.
Following people on lastfm doesn’t require that you know who they are, they are a source of information only and that information comes from all people who scrobble to Lastfm via whatever means.

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@Grasshopper ,

Thank you! Trying to interpret this. I think I’ll finally read through the product info. Loved your concise explanation of Last.FM. I couldn’t get past that word scrobble when I first signed up on Roon. Does it mean to Shazam a track per say?

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Ok thanks I think I follow now! Much appreciated :ok_hand:

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Martin, is there anywhere a good documentation over how to start with LMS? I was looking on Wikipedia but still don’t get the picture. I really would like to try this out on my Surround media PC and my Hifiberry’s. I also could not find information about the capability of playing surround music. Almost all of my Music is in Flac format.
Do you have a sort of " how to start" guide?

Frank I run DietPi on my NUC and it has simple options for LMS and Plex Server both of which work great with Ropieee. So depending on what platform you use, you will have to go through the process of setting it up.

I didn’t find any super simple how to guides, but once I was up and running and had it installed the modern display theme (Material Skin) it was all fairly easy. Ropieee devices are automatically found if you have them enabled for Squeezelite. The web browser interface works well and there are a number of apps on iOS and Android.

After that I got some recommendations from some friends here and Google and tweaked it to the point where it works pretty much as well as Roon (using a fraction of the resources). It has an incredibly flexible plugin scheme.

The one thing I had to spend a lot of time working on was the quality of my music tagging. I thought it was good, but LMS is not forgiving like Roon so I had 3 or 4 versions of some bands in my library. I used Picard by MusicBrainz to fix that but it took me about a month to do.

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This is me exactly except for the Russians. It will be more likely the Chinese coming to AU.
Since I’ve been a ROON lifetime subscriber streaming QOBUZ my music exploration has expanded exponentially. I use ROON every day and love it.
I’m confident ROON will see me out but I doubt my kids or grandkids will be interested in inheriting my login details!

Fully agree regarding cleaning out favourites. If you start using Tidal or Qobuz integrated in roon as a possibility for ´binge-shopping albums´, you get clutter in return. I keep the albums added to my library at a minimum, some kind of ´what I want to check next´ and clean up regularly.

Maintenance sourced from streaming services on the other hand I find useful particularly for classical music as composition linking gets better and better and the possibility to research and focus is exactly what I want. And a sole reason why I will probably keep Qobuz integrated although I am not using its other possibilities.

Scrobble basically means log the time and details of the track played in Last.FM’s database and attach it to your account.

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Maybe start here and proceed from there:

https://lyrion.org/getting-started/#configure

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Have thought the same - if Qobuz were to dissappear, would probably move back to Volumio

Some good posts about sharing, i think Roon software integration with this very forum would turbo charge things!! I think fellow Roon users are the best source, but as some posted above it can be tiresome to search in Roon on recommendations. I should be able to preview songs right here in the forum!!

It was on my list from a couple of years ago!

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