Initially i found the Roon Community a nice hangout, with some helpful dudes (and occasional dudesses) liking to discuss various things music and audio and of course the best way to implement this new king of software players, Roon.
However, lately i find this forum vitriolic and bitter and everyone describing their experience or enthusiasm about setup or products which enhance their enjoyment, gets called out and basically told a liar becuse there has not been “scientific proof” involved or blind ABX testing involved.
Of course this is because “bits are bits” and “all cables sound the same” and of course “Amir says” dis and dat and Topping DACs are all everyone needs.
The aggressors have never heard or experienced the product or tweak in question and anyone vouching for them is either gullible or a fraud.
They are always attacking in packs and some are verbally skilled, making it difficult to counter for the poor sod who just spent way too much money on a power cable. And he’s surely getting told how silly he was and that he spent his money on an illusion.
This behaviour hinders discussion and makes the Roon community an unfriendly place. Now, why is this bullying tolerated by the Roon Crew and forum moderators? Vitriolic comments and axe grinding is NOT allowed when the Roon product is the device in question?
Why should it be allowed when the subject are products from manufacturers, magazines or enthusiastic users?
To me, the community has gone sour and no longer present a worthwile source of infotainment…
Over many years of forum use and moderation I’ve seen this pattern and it is usually a reflection of how the owners and moderators think. It is not in itself a bad thing because in this case it helps to set a standard that makes supporting the product easier. But their silence in the face of some of the commentary and in one case I can think of staff adding a like to that commentary means on some topics I feel less inclined to engage on the forum. But I still come back because my shrink tells me using linear power supplies does not make me a bad person! She won’t be drawn on audiophile switches but I respect her opinion.
Here was me thinking this thread would be about attracting younger people/more females/people of limited resources etc. sadly it appears a way of restarting the argument that the op is complaining about that has been done to death.
Personally I think people can buy what they like, just don’t tell me that I’m too deaf or my system won’t be good enough to hear a difference. For balance I understand people like me may like a bit of colour in a system so may not want perfect measuring.
I’m an individual and don’t need a herd to fit in.
So people who believe in magical properties of ethernet cables should be allowed to post whatever they want while saying that this contradicts known facts should be forbidden? That’s what would hinder discussion and make the Roon community an unfriendly place.
You are not just disagreeing. Even in this thread you managed to introduce the comment about magical properties. And that isn’t coincidence. You know it is the right side of the rules but it ridicules the person you are responding to.
No technical explanation has ever been offered or an effect actually been demonstrated, so that makes any supposed effects magical as far as the technical part is concerned or imagined as far as the missing demonstration is concerned.
Any supposed ridiculing would immediately stop if either an explanation was offered or an effect demonstrated.
There is no requirement to offer a technical explanation.
Banning none Roon discussion is also pointless because people are not talking about this stuff in isolation from Roon. We are here because we use (or have used) Roon. These are usually discussions about how.
You’re seem to advocate for not hindering discussion, and you think some statements would make the Roon community an unfriendly place.
Yet, disparaging contributors by using the term “magical” – which is rather derogative – and engaging in ‘whatabout-ism’, your post seems, to me, to hinder discussion and make the community a less-friendly place. Thus, the hypocrisy.
Just my view of it. It doesn’t matter much to the overall discussion.
I never said this. I said that allowing one kind of statement while restricting another kind would do that.
I don’t see the problem. If someone tells me that the hollow earth is filled with reptiles, the burden is on them to prove it, and I’ll treat it appropriately if they tell me otherwise.
It IMHO does not make for a healthy community to entertain any crackpot theory, because where do you draw the line? Bayesian probability applies.
Requesting rational hypotheses and evidence shouldn’t need justification in the 21st century.
I don’t run this forum and Roon can decide otherwise.
