I’ve only been using roon for a few days now. I tried roon radio and thought it would be good to discover similar music. But after a couple of songs, it made a dramatic shift in music. I don’t remember what I was listening to, but it would be like going from Mozart to Snoop Dogg. Lol
I wasn’t overly impressed in how it worked.
Not to beat a dead horse any further, but some of my similar experiences are covered in this thread:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/re-mystified-and-not-in-a-good-way-by-the-roon-playlist-algorithm/259341/3
I know @nathan has some ideas on how to improve it; hopefully he’ll have some time soon.
Well ‘Mozart to Snoop Dogg’ means broken, not ‘in need of improvement’.
I was thinking it may relate or depend on the genre being listened to or your historic listening habits, I am the only one who uses Roon here and radio is generally very good, it picks up a new artist I save at least once a week and I can understand the other recommendations and why it recommended them even if I don’t like them.
Roon Radio consistently plays opera music even after I consistently Thumbs Down the tracks with “I don’t like this track”. This has been going on for years. It’s like my previous entries are being ignored. I also have experienced previous users complaints regarding the same songs being played after specific albums. This usually happens with recordings by “lesser known” artists or new releases, it seems. It would be a nice feature to be able to eliminate specific genre tagged music from Roon Radio (like Opera). It would also be great if we could see all of our Thumbs Up selections in one place, like Pandora.
The Radio thumbs go into a big statistical cloud pool, they aren’t per-user. Personally I don’t see how this can work satisfyingly for genres, artists, or tracks one strongly dislikes.
Wow, that actually explains a lot. I’m not sure I’m ever going to be happy with everyone voting to tell me what I like.
Yes I don’t understand that at all.
I don’t actually use the rating ever, I generally listen to radio for one or two tracks after a queue of albums end, I don’t use playlists.
These two tracks are usually a very good match.
The new Andre 3000 ambient solo album is a real problem case. No matter what, it’s always followed up on radio by some hip hop, which is absolutely NOT the vibe being created. Tried removing any genre tags to do with hip hop/pop/rock etc. Didn’t make a budge on playing rap on. Radio, so I’m guessing genres are baked in at home base.
Which leads into which source of genre metadata? That’s a pretty blunt tool to ever work properly.
Roon Radio is still broken. I use Roon Radio every day. My main genres are, classic rock, rock, southern rock, blues and metal. Every day, Roon Radio throws in Michael Jackson songs. Today Roon Radio was assigned the task to follow Bruce Springsteen’s ‘Born In The USA’. Today, Roon Radio threw in two Michael Jackson songs within two hours 
Overall, Roon Radio does a fantastic job, but I do wish a thumbs-down or skip from me tailored my personal Roon.
Hello. Agree. Still Roon Radio issues. On my “Country Pop” Roon Radio, I’ve now heard “Island In the Stream” by Dolly Parton the same version twice in 14 songs. A good song. However, certainly we can do better to avoid this prompt repetition. Thanks. Barry
I’m using less and less Roon radio, because it’s bad.
I switch to Tidal when I want to discover some new music with there propositions.
With Roon I put a ambient track and the next one is heavy metal.
I consider it close to impossible to use.
I don’t understand I come Roon team doesn’t adress this issue.
Jp.
I’ve posted about my love and success for Roon Radio on these forums over the last couple of years, but I have a 100% local collection, and I believe it was originally designed to work well with that, and not the streaming services…so, yeah, it needs fixing. I’m writing mainly to share that the experience is not universally bad, just in case you might believe the product is 100% waste for all users…but again, yes, it clearly needs an update to work better with streaming services!!!
I wanted to say I’ve appreciated that you’re glass-half-full on this one. I’ve been encouraged to persevere with Radio given I’m a big shuffle fan and always interested with what Valence makes of my patchy library… or at least the Valence that is currently on tap.
However I find I skip 80% or more of what Radio suggests. It’s too inclined to play the same few artists until it gets to an artist that I truly don’t know… which not every time I will be OK with. Of all this, about two thirds of my use for Radio is for discovery - one third for retrieving collection.
I get better results elsewhere, but this is because I like variety within the mood (hello, SensMe or Pandora).
The thing is it wasn’t ever designed with local in mind. You read back on posts from Danny and he says it was all designed to rely on streaming and the results for local was not really considered as good or part of its main attraction and design. TBH I find them just as repetitive and less prone to go be adventurous I have mine on local when I do use it which is only via ARC these days and it’s the same old scenario. Rinse repeat.
Well a few things are certain in my life, death, the sun will rise and King Crimson will follow a Pink Floyd song.
That is a phenomenon I regularly encountered with Qobuz radio but never roon radio.
Tried to replicate some weird things which were reported and had the impression that roon radio works almost perfectly if you take one track as a starting point which belongs to an accurately tagged album (in terms of genres, subgenres and alike) of an artist who is well connected with others. In this case suggestions are very good, to my taste the ideal mixture of similar tracks, similar yet not identical subgenres and things a bit more creative which are new to me.
On the other hand if one of these conditions is not met, it can get pretty weird. Algorithm seems to be lost when you start radio from a heterogeneous top-level genre like classical, stage&screen or electronic, a track which has no subgenre tags or the artist has little connection with others. I avoid this by any means, maybe it might getter once you ´train´ the algorithm by banning and declining certain tracks.
Noticed one phenomenon: When starting roon radio from a track presumably not understood by the algorithm it sticks to local content only while from a track with reasonable links it is not only resulting in a good indefinite playlist but also blending local and Qobuz content. In some cases I get a notification ´nothing similar found´, sometimes not.
Any idea why?
Funny, never happened with my radio. Chances are high that a Pink Floyd song is followed by another Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Dire Straits or Eagles track.
Oh, right, @anon77144803 - I had forgotten that, and you’ve mentioned it before. I’m sorry for forgetting that.
I guess the best way to distill it is, they let their eye off the ball because it is definitely way broken when used with streaming services at this point for some reason…
