Why aren't all your friends using Roon?

Not ad infinitum, just until it made sense to do the next package upgrade. Fortunately, Microsoft’s support horizon was longer than their package upgrade cycle…

Interesting that the main topic of discussion here is how to pay for the Stereophile “Budget” product of the year.

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Out of the given options I’m mostly C, but also:
e) good price for lifetime, now that it’s still available
f) availability of different price/quality endpoints for different use cases

So these three.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, but if I buy Roon lifetime + RaspberryPi3 with a fancy case, HifiBerry hat and power supply it’ll set me back ~525€

If I buy a Bluesound Node 2, I’m again paying for the software (which can’t compete with Roon, at least yet) and the hardware and it’ll set me back 599€

Already Roon is cheaper, but for some reason people can justify buying Bluesound Node 2 without feeling the need to complain in the forums about the pricing. Go figure.

Next identical endpoint for Roon is 100€, and for Bluesound it’s 599€ as I’m paying for the software again.

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I don’t know anyone who pays for a music service. If they use on then it is free spotify. My wife listens to the same 20 odd CDs. My kids pay for Netflix but not music.
Anyone on this forum is, by definition, an outlier.

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The majority of my friends tend to use Spotify on Sonos. Roon cannot compete with that as essentially it does everything they need.

I accept that I am perhaps an outlier in my group but they all like parties at my house !!!

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Interesting sequence of comments.

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So MacOS will be $0 per month instead of $0 for an up-front purchase? :wink:

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I thought the future was Google Chromebooks - minimal OS running locally?!

Basically we’ve gone full circle - back to dumb terminals. I’m waiting for the punchcard to become fashionable again :slight_smile:

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We aren’t ready to do monthly yet, but when we have a proper mobile offering (@Soren_Siim_Nielsen’s #1). We will surely offer #2. Both together make sense to us, separate, they don’t. The product still fits a small niche until #1 is done, and thus priced more like a tool or component of your audio system, and not as an “app”.

@anon55914447 has also been speaking about this for ages, and both he and @Soren_Siim_Nielsen have always been right. But not just yet.

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If you think that you’re not paying a fee for MacOS, then I have this bridge that you might be interested in… :grinning:

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Danny, I think you are all spot on regarding the future wan support. I was pondering about Roon (and user experience) these past few days and I think that an even wider mass market appeal can be achieved by vertical integration.

A niche customer (such as myself) will be happy with what currently offered by Roon as well as the tweaking for setting up high SQ end points.

My latest issues with Bluesound multiroom sync made me think of the wider market appeal if Roon ‘controlled’ the hardware endpoints. Any updates to RAAT are immediately rolled out with software Roon Bridge updates which ensures my system works perfectly. I have 3 zones like that and they are flawless. Roon ready end points do not necessarily update in line with the roon bridge because it is up to the manufacturer (e.g. Bluesound).

I am not suggesting Roon becomes something like sonos but if could become Sonos +++ with: scalability, open architecture as well as ease of setup (like Sonos) and multiroom sync reliability. All positive for the technophobe (wider market).

It all depends on the target segment I guess.

Sorry for rambling

I’m mostly pretty happy with Roon as it is. Of course I hope for some new features (such as Deezer, Bandcamp and Soundcloud support) and I’m not against features that I’m not gonna use. Even though I would probably use the WAN thingie every now and then, if there ever was one, I can’t see it really bringing in too many new users.

I might be wrong of course, but I can’t see why a regular Joe would go for Roon instead of for example Subsonic. It’s free with a premium subscription for $1 a month. Well, remains to be seen I guess.

If I’m paying a fee for MacOS, it’s an entirely different model from the subscription one we’re talking about here. I don’t see Apple moving to MacOS or iOS subscriptions any time soon.

(BTW, I really like that bridge. How much are you asking?)

You are paying but it’s more like the traditional streamer model. It’s tied to the hardware.

I doubt Apple will go for the subscription model either. They’re using the software to sell hardware.

iCloud.
Apple Music

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Obviously additional services cost extra, but MacOS or iOS will not go monthly paid.

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Have you tried disentangling iCloud storage of photo’s and documents and leaving them on the Mac, Apparently the original item is now the one on iCloud and it deletes the ones on the local machine if you disconnect. Pretty sure that’s forced subscription.

No, it’s not; that’s not how iCloud works with Photos and iCloud documents…

Photos allows you the option to store all of your photos on as many of your computers and your devices as you want - if/when you cancel your iCloud subscription, the photos are still on those devices [they only “disappear” if you have the option to “optimize local storage” selected].
Likewise, it’s a similar situation with files / documents stored in iCloud - just make sure one of your MacOS computers has the [default setting] checked to have all documents stored locally… again, your files will still be there after removing/cancelling the iCloud account.
[Also, don’t forget that the first 5GB of iCloud is free, so you actually have to delete your account…if you stop paying for extra storage space, you still keep the 5GB].

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I have an LG V20 that sounds amazing when streaming TIDAL or playing local FLAC via the USB Audio Player Pro app. Sadly, it is unreliable and sounds pretty terrible when playing music via the Roon app. I think if there was a Roon Bridge app for Android (perhaps there is, I’ve not checked), that might work well. Something to run in the background with no UI that takes over the audio output on the phone. I’m not even sure this sort of thing is possible on Android though…hmm…

As for billing, I agree that adding a monthly subscription option would lower the barriers to entry for some folks. The value proposition makes a lot more sense when people start to see Roon as a whole-house audio solution rather than just another media player or library management tool.

Interresting. Im not getting “bit perfect” either when listening via Roon through my Fiio android player. I wouldn’t say it sounds terrible but the android thing seems to cloud everything. S’like when playing via 3rd party apps on the fiio, what are they up to with the extra layer of android in the middle. It’s just not clear.