Why I've quit Roon after a few years use

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

@Jacques_Distler

UPnP is a protocol .

Sounds like someone’s implementation of that protocol is buggy (“volume goes to 100%”). This has nothing to do with the merits or demerits of the protocol itself.

There are issues with UPnP. Some of those are fixed in OpenHome; others remain. Multi-zone support (via yet another extension of the basic protocol: SongCast) is particularly weak.

While that volume thing sounds like a bug, UPnP is fundamentally flawed:

What's wrong with UPnP?

@AndersVinberg: We are working with Bel Canto to get RAAT into their devices. Our contempt for UPnP basically comes down to a few things: UPnP requires codec support on the endpoint, therefore making different endpoints support a different subset of whats out there. This also puts a burden of patent licensing on the manufacturer. UPnP has no good solution for streaming proprietary/unsupported/new formats UPnP creates an ecosystem of lowest common denominator support UPnP lacks “a brain”, like…

@cereal_killer

You seem to be getting on the defensive here!

Lets turn the question around then, as has already been stated and is fairly common knowledge that DLNA is built into nearly everything out there.

Tell me which streamer product you have so far certified as roonready doesn’t offer UPnP/DLNA ?

I’m not getting defensive, on getting annoyed with you dodging the question. I’ll answer you but I’m done with you until you either retract or defend your words.

We’ve certified almost 1000 devices and I don’t know all their details. However, just looking at my desk, I see two devices that have RAAT and no UPnP:

B&W’s Formation line (I have the Duo’s here in a box) and the Merging Technologies’ NADAC+PLAYER.

Both are “high-end” to “super high-end”.

UPnP sucks. We won’t support it. We would rather improve the industry as a whole than support UPnP. We started that in 2016. I believe we are mostly complete. If you think UPnP is required for Roon’s mass adoption, you are welcome to your opinion, but we think you couldn’t be further from the truth.