Analogue active speakers + native DSD DACs for use with HQPlayer

One I ordered :slightly_smiling_face:

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ā€œThe coming (23.3) Genelec G Fours fortunately do not contain DSP or anything elseā€¦ā€

Sorry to be a pest. :wink:
But again, this phrasing implys (at least to me) that analogue crossover is superior to an inbuild DSP crossover which is for me not correct.

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I think you are misinterpreting over and over again.

Take note of this thread title.

If you want to use a native DSD DAC with active speakers - it needs to have an analogue crossover. That is all. Nobody is generalising about what is better.

You also need to understand the context of why this thread was created… he was feeding Cyan2 into analogue input of DSP speakers…

Let the man enjoy his Cyan2 → active speakers.

If someone wants to say DSP crossover is better than analogue active, start a different thread because it doesn’t help this particular thread.

I do DSP crossover myself and I don’t need to start such a thread.

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I’m sure they are totally not interested and don’t have a slightest idea about what HQPlayer is, or what we are talking about here. Or about things like innards of DACs in general. They just buy some cheap DAC chip fitting their BOM budget (something like 5€) and are happy with it. They don’t even tell which chip they are using, or any other such details. Since they consider it irrelevant.

The opposite for me. The non-SAM monitors are more fixable than the SAM ones.

I personally wouldn’t buy Genelec’s, they all sound bad to me. It is not about frequency response flatness, it is about more complex things. (I never buy speakers with metal dome tweeters)

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Same applies for ADCs, that’s why HQPlayer has algorithms trying to correct at least some of the errors created by the production chain…

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Many are yes… Not least because of loudness wars.

Some of the damage can be fixed, some only partially, not everything. We cannot change the source, but we can try to make best out of it.

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Thanks Jussi,
that does not sound very patriotic! :joy:

KEF tweeter is even worse, it has >20 dB oil can resonance right above 20 kHz frequency. I use either soft domes which have resonance below cross-over frequency. Or preferably ribbon tweeters (flat or AMT) which can go flat to 50+ kHz.

At the moment I use Dynaudio (soft dome) and Elac (AMT ribbon). Plus needed digital room/speaker corrections in HQPlayer. Since I now feed also vinyl (analog) sources through HQPlayer, I can have all the same corrections with those as well. I can do up to 768/32 PCM or DSD256 for analog sources, thanks to RME ADI-2 Pro. I could do digital cross-overs at those rates as well.

My R3 has the resonance above 30kHz but when I use the HQPlayer cut the crap filter, I can’t measure any resonance with my Earthworks M30 mic. So in practical sense, I never hear or measure it. I usually leave the 20kHz filter on always with speakers.

But I’m listening more with my Truthear Nova IEMs at the moment with Cyan 2 - these are amazing out of the box ! Only a bit of bass and 425Hz boost required, looking at B&K 5128 measurements. I am hearing things in songs I never hear before with speakers or headphones. Maybe because the combination of ultra low distortion and ultra low SNR due to being an ear plug essentially. No 20Hz filter here! Unless I spot fake hires

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Yes, that’s the case, since then you don’t have a trigger for it. Of course proper hires then becomes bandlimited to sub-20k.

Some metal domes have the resonance as low as 23 kHz. The main issue with the resonance is when it is combined with a relatively leaky oversampling filters found in many DACs, since then it can be triggered even with RedBook content… If the DSP speaker can be run at 96 kHz from external upsampling, then that can be avoided when combined with the 20 kHz cut-the-crap filter.

I’m 90% headphone listener, as part of my work as well. My primary tools are the T+A Solitaire P and Sennheiser HD800. On travel Shure SRH1540.

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As my hearing is pretty steep declining above 12kHz that all is not a problem for me. :crazy_face:

Last year, I picked up the TRUTHEAR x Crinacle Zero:RED and thought they were stellar for the price. Have you heard the two for comparison?

Yes those are stellar, close to Harman target straight out of the box, without EQ.

And ultra low distortion. Getting this kid of distortion from speakers in a large room at decent SPLs is expensive, if even possible !! 114dB and under 0.5% THD !?

I gave my dad my Zero:REDs (got him brand new silicon tips of course) and got the TruthEar Nova for myself. Slightly different bass tuning (Nova has more bass). Both have the ultra low distortion. Both have different impedances, so the amp can make a difference. You want <1ohm output impedance and able to drive low impedances.

The Crinacle Red needs the gentle 425Hz EQ also - thats an issue with 711 couplers, that the B&K 5128 measurement rig doesn’t have.

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Nova comes with a nicer cable too and I like the look more (as well as more bass)

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Is Mackie MR524 a pure analog circuitry monitor?

Yes, it is.

Most Neumann monitors should be full analog XO as well.

No, it isn’t. According to Mackie, the MR524 has DSP. dabassgoesboomboom was wrong about it.

The only active monitor I found with pure analog circuitry is Telegrapher Fox, but unfortunately, it isn’t available in my country.

Ok, that is strange, usually a DSP Monitor has also digital in, which the Mackie does not have, but ok, I have not looked further.
There are the ADAM A5/7/8 and AT5/7/8V serie, the Genelecs 8010/8020/8030… serie, Tannoy Gold 5/7/…… Serie. Behringer 2031 is around for ages. There should be plenty non DSP monitors. Never heard of Telegrapher Fox. Where are you located?