I’m going to sue JBL and Kali…
Why? Where is the false advertising?
Please ask JBL and Kali if there filters are as good as HQPlayer and if their vertical directivity is as good as KEF.
I want to be shocked by their answer. Or maybe using some common sense their answer will be exactly as we would predict it to be 
if ‘studio grade’ is an important thing to you… Can you count how many KEFs in this mastering room? 
Somebody should tell this studio they’re doing it wrong, KEF is not ‘studio grade’
How many LS50’s in this University spatial audio research lab? 
Unfortunately not ‘studio grade’ i guess
It can be yes.
For sure there are many active DSP speakers, if you like such and the DACs and amps inside those, you can of course use such.
Alternatively you can for example run DSP crossover in HQPlayer as well.
I personally prefer that way and run room/speaker/headphone corrections in HQPlayer instead of using DSP speakers. I don’t like sound of the DSP algorithms, DACs and amplifiers in those speakers.
Primary point of HQPlayer is to be DSP side of the DAC. Plus optionally cross-over, room/speaker/headphone correction. And of course player.
Maybe you should get in contact with Genelec and design such a TOTL system with them. 
I’m afraid those “studio-grade” are widely used for producing content for LS50s as well as HQPlayer. They should call it “sh****-grade” instead.
Not sure how much of the HQPlayer website you have read or understand but it is attempting to undo some of the crap done by crappy ADCs in the recording/mixing/mastering side… if there is crap. Obviously there are great recordings too.
In your case you have cheap ADCs after HQPlayer , so @jussi_laako 's algorithms can’t help you for anything downstream of HQPlayer 
Anyway I’ll leave it there. If it’s isn’t making sense by now.
As long as you enjoy the tunes, all is good
It’s not just my case as those proclaimed studio monitors are responsible for many great music productions with their “cheap ADCs”. But if they are “crap” then those great productions are also crap. Whether playing the crap through HQPlayer or LS50s doesn’t matter.
I do not think dabassgoesboomboom mean DSP monitors in general are crappy just the once mentioned in this threat.
I would prefer any Genelec 83XX SAM monitor for the 80XX non SAM monitors, HQP or not. 
Wrong. i specifically referred to the filters everytime, not the art / music / overall production…
Why do i refer to the ADC and DAC filters? Because i am in the HQPlayer section of this forum
And a big part of what you and i paid for with HQplayer is… come on, this is not hard, surely 
And my comment about poor vertical directivity of your monitors in nearfield is factual too. Should I show you some plots? Erin’s Audio Corner with his $100k Klippel system is a great resource
He doesn’t want to understand, just leave him be.
No i never said the monitors overall are crappy. Pointing out average vertical directivity for nearfield listening doesn’t mean the overall speaker is crappy.
There is too much misunderstanding here.
To repeat I am talking about the ADC and DAC filters that are coming downstream of HQPlayer in PaperBoats Kali and JBL monitors.
As I originally wrote, his Mackie actually fits in this thread here - since it uses analogue active crossover. This is just a fact - I am not claiming which is the best or crappest of the 3 monitors overall…
This is getting tiring
Than you do say all DSP monitors are crappy?
So this includes all Genelec SAM Monitors? They are using digital cross overs up to their top tier products and I cannot imagine that they are using crappy DACs in their systems.
or do you mean DSP monitors are crappy when fed via an analogue signal?
where did i say this exactly?
Probably not directly but somehow it came across to me that way.
But I think you are right, it is cleared up now.
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Of course I would never write DSP monitors are crappy after I said I use one in my office.
My main speaker system has no crossover inside the speakers at all. The crossover lives inside HQPlayer itself…
Both the above systems sound amazing with Acourate DRC + HQPlayer doing their thing.
Same with the system I did for my dad’s 40+ year old ESS Heil AMT Fortura 10s.
I ripped out the 40+ yo passive XO and now the XO also lives inside HQPlayer.
10ch Focusrite DAC (limited to PCM192kHz so not relevant to this thread).
2ch with 2 subs, so 6 channels go to amplifiers for the drivers. Another 2 channels from the DAC go to a standalone real VU Meter of music playback, to give that old school look he likes.
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I don’t know how many more ways I can say this but you undo the work of HQPlayer (that we all pay for here and enjoy…) if you then feed your DAC output to an ADC that will not have filters as good as HQPlayer, and the same with the DAC that again follows.
This is sub-optimal… but PaperBoats thinks this is good because ‘studio grade’ and that my comments are ‘strange’.
Just feed these damn fine things a digital signal from HQPlayer and enjoy the music
If you choose to feed a Holo Cyan2 into these DSP Genelec’s analogue input, then nobody is understanding anything on this topic but I don’t care anymore lol
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I am not doing it this way. I feed my 8351A since ever digitally.
Unfortunately for practical reasons not from HQP but directly from Roon (Mac → topping D10s → 8351A), allways down sampled to 96/24.
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The coming (23.3) Genelec G Fours fortunately do not contain DSP or anything else…
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Is that the one you ordered? Or current model ?
If you really want to test your CPU and GPU combo you could do what I do but take it another level.
Over 4 channels DSP crossover operating at DSD256 / PCM353kHz
Well I do that latter because I don’t have a GPU to do 8ch upsampling to DSD256 with EC modulators.
You would need to buy an 8ch DSD256 DAC though like exaSound and buy nice passive speakers and then bypass the internal XO.
This is what I do with my KEF R3 My crossover lives in HQPlayer
Maybe a future project for you @erekola !
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