I am having the same problem. iPhone 13 Pro. Static IP and everything else works great. Arc has a tendency to freeze and then I can’t control the music without restarting arc.
This is for roon arc and not the roon app. I can’t find a setting for the roon arc app to save log files either in the system preferences or the app itself
Also, my phone (iPhone 13 pro with latest OS) gets pretty hot while running arc
thanks so much for getting back to me. here are my answers:
- used 109gb, free 130 gb (so that should not be a problem)
- this seems to happen mostly with local media, all of which is ALAC. I have not tried DSD and I will make sure that I am not accidentally playing the hires versions.
- I have mostly had this problem with cellular (that being said, it was 5G with gig fiber and a static IP, my core is an i7 with 32 gb of RAM).
even when I first started playing music from wifi just right now the screen would freeze up and become fully unresponsive temporarily. the problem is that in my car, when it freezes it will continue playing the current song but I can no longer control playback (skip, pause, etc) and then it won’t play the next song unless I quit the app, and that does not always work.
Is there a forum issue? I can see @meATroon seemingly replying to other posts, but these other posts are not there?
Thanks for letting me know @meATroon.
A few follow-up questions:
- When you head into arc settings, how much available space is left in your internal storage?
- When this freeze/hot phone issue happens, are you streaming specific file types? Are they Flac files? Or, are you streaming content from tidal/qobuz? What is the file quality if that is the case?
- Does this happen over Wifi, or cellular data?
Thank you for your patience here
Now I can see this last post by @benjamin
I’ve split your posts into its own topic in order for it to receive proper attention, and we believe your situation may be a bit different from the other thread.
The first thing we see, is that your device is indeed giving us OOM error messages in the system logs. After digging into this a bit more, we found that your Roon library is on the larger size - almost 350k tracks.
In order to make ARC work and to support operations with poor or limited connectivity, Roon needs to synchronize information about your music library onto your mobile device. While the data synchronized is much more compact than what is stored in the Roon Core, for this large of a library it is likely still too big for a mobile device.
All of this said, when you play music in your car, is your device also plugged into a charger of sorts? It could be the case that the phone is getting warm due to this as well. More than likely its the amount of energy it takes to process the size of your library.
Aside from limitations in device performance, there are also restrictions on resource usage imposed by Apple and Google which make this scale of data transfer, synchronization, and storage impractical within a mobile app.
With this, I don’t have a direct solution for you, at least not yet. We’re still investigating this. One thing to test, would be to separate your watched folders in your core settings into smaller buckets, and disable a few of thing to limit the library size. From there, go about your arc routine as usual, and see if your device still runs into the same issues.
I’ll be monitoring this thread for your reply
I assume the Out of Memory errors are coming from my phone and not my core, correct? That would make sense. The only thing that I wish would happen is that it would just become less performant (which would be very understandable). Instead it just freezes the UI completely and prevents any control over the media (the current song continues to play, but no new song begins once it ends). Given the multithreaded nature of iOS is there anything that can be done to at least allow it to respond to pause or skip, especially in a car driving situation?
The heating up only happens when the UI is frozen. When everything is responsive there is no excessive heat coming from the phone (and, for what its worth, the heat comes from the upper left part of the phone).
thanks so much for getting back to me about this
Yes you are correct in that we’re seeing the OOM errors on the mobile device and thank you for the additional info! We’re continuing to investigate this issue further. In the meantime, can you please update to the newest Roon and Roon arc builds, and let me know if your issue persists?
We don’t yet have a clear workaround quite yet, although if you’d like to test out setting up a smaller watched folder for a smaller subset of your library, that could produce different outcomes to the issue.
Outside of this, our team are actively looking into other possible solutions, and I will certainly keep you in the loop on any progress made
I updated everything and it did not really improve. Then, I completely removed ARC (and its data) from my phone and reinstalled it. I let it do its syncing thing while still on my local network and now it has been working much more reliably. I hope I am not jinxing it, but that may have really made it usable away from home. I will keep stress testing it (you know, that hard work of listening to music) and I’ll report back if any issues pop up again.
Thanks for getting back to me along the way. Even while things aren’t working as I hope, roon always remains my favorite piece of software.
Tried this and it seems to be working now. Thanks, @meATroon !
I hope it continues working for you. ARC has become largely unusable for me again.
Same here. Have been working since the last update but now it’s unusable again. Even freezes when browsing the settings
I installed the latest update, hoping it would fix some of these issues, but no dice. The phone gets so hot that I am concerned about compromising the display. I do have a large library, but I also have a very powerful phone with loads of free storage (iPhone 13 Pro with 256 GBs). I seriously looked at segmenting my library, but that would introduce a weird organizational logic to my collection and I would be compromising availability to those at home just so I can listen while I am at the office. I am willing to be patient with this, but so far it has been a failure.
I really feel like I was the perfect candidate for this functionality:
I almost exclusively listen to my large collection of local files. This means that I don’t place as much value in my tidal subscription (usable away from home since the beginning), which I mostly use for discovery
I have really fast, symmetrical fiber 1GB up and down. Fiber is most commonly using CGNAT which presented no problem for remote usage of my Synology NAS. So I had to pay an extra $10/month to my ISP just for roon ARC.
Both of those have proven to be impediments to success.
You have my apologies that we haven’t yet pinned down the culprit behind these Arc issues. We’re still spending a good amount of time investigating things. We do have confidence around the idea of Arc struggling to decode large amounts of higher res files, but things are still murky.
I will of course keep you in the loop as we continue to deep dive into this issue
Thanks for keeping me updated and I am happy to hear that this is something that might get fixed. One thought I was having that might be an issue if the database is stored locally on the phone: I have been entering my “Unidentified” albums into MusicBrainz and steadily changing (Re-identify Album) quite a few entries. Probably not an issue for a modern database but just thought that was slightly unusual usage.