Fake AI Slop infesting Tidal?

Probably uploaded by some cheesy third-party producers claiming to be copyright owners.

I am not familiar with procedures the streaming services are applying to uploaded content, but it seems that particularly artists are affected whose name can either be not really filtered by automated routines (such as “Queen”), being used by several artists in different regions of the world, and those who are publishing under independent labels or have been undergoing several record label changes over the course of their career. Which bears the problem that record labels who are copyright owners for some tracks or albums, can pretty much do what they want, without being forced to remove content by other labels who own the copyright for other content. In this confusion I can easily imagine some fraudster slipping through the gaps.

What I also noticed: With singles this seems to be much more easy than with albums, basically rendering the roon discography useless. Example:

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Yes, but greed is the foundation of capitalism - rather than ethics or morality?
So what you’re describing is normal and natural?
Why does that surprise you?

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It is very strange that streaming services allow uploads without checking that the uploader has copyright over content AND artist name. Looks like anyone could upload anything, says it’s by anyone and just get the revenue from streams. Can I upload Miles Davis albums and get the revenue from streaming? at least I would upload the real ones :wink:

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I do not have much hope in ethics or morality of fraudsters uploading whatever looks like it is earning money, but I do believe in the genuine interest of streaming services keeping their kitchen clean, at least to a degree they would not loose customers.

Spotify has quite some reputation for greed, but they obviously do not have such problem.

In theory that is possible, if there is no-one having claimed exclusive rights for a particular artist, or the artist or label get a notification in case something is uploaded.

Technically that is possible, but the moment it is visible under the streaming service´s artist profile or discography, I would expect the original copyright owners to step in, have it deleted and sue you. Note that the latter steps require more or less manual work, while the process of uploading and approving in the first place seems to be pretty much automated.

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This is why I continue buying music off Bandcamp!

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I do the same, more through platforms like eclassical, burningshed oder IAA, but that is only contributing to my local collection. I see the discography feature, i.e. with the help of Qobuz giving me a comprehensive overview which releases of an artist in question are available, as one of the main advantages of roon. Very sad if that would be rendered unusable because of data sanity deteriorated by fraudsters and mishaps.

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Difficult to check if you ingest millions. How do you reliably check that, anyway without involving fees and lawyers, shutting out small artists who would be barred from uploading stuff just because of similarities or duplicate names

I find it hard to believe that Tidal or any streaming service is making copyright payments without checking that the payees are actually entitled to get paid… this would be a major gap that can get them bankrupt. there must be something else

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Copyright is on actual works.

Ai recreations (which seems to be the topic) are not copyrighted by the original artists just because they sound similar. (See the many endless lawsuits when one artist sues another because they think someone stole part of their song).

Most of the classical moneygrab releases seem to be out-of-copyright works.

Anyway, these releases are there, so obviously they are making money off it.

There’s some info here, too, as already linked previously:

I’m new to this and had not known about AI in streaming services. That is f’d up. Curious if streaming services Qoboz and Tidal sanitize their content. Any report of viruses or malware within streaming content?

Spotify maybe blocking AI ingested onto their servers but it is creating its own - last i read upto 50% of content on auto select is AI - generated by Spotify in order top avoid paying royalties.

yeah spotify is only evil for a million other reasons…
i had the impression they’d go the youtube route and make a million fake “study and chill” playlists… but i honestly don’t know, so good on them for that at least, if true. We all know Tidal lies like a rug and could care less about their customer, so that doesn’t surprise. But Qubuz has been my my source or hope, i’ll be heartbroken if they give into it. i’ve been really analog in my playback lately but i’ll be on the lookout now for sure

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if you really want to get into the weeds, check out the videos on youtube made by Benn Jordan on these topics - distrokid, his own must just being deleted etc. lately i’ve been recording to my cassette deck and listening back to it on an amazon walkman as i go about my day… not that i’d make any money if i tried to navigate the ■■, but the whole story makes you (me, rather) prefer not sharing or just giving things away

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Same here, but to be fair, I do not think they have given in. The cases which I investigated, seem to be under the radar in Qobuz´ proprietary app, or can easily explained with mishaps or assignment to an artist of the same name gone wrong. Maybe these are the reasons they have not been removed yet.

Traditionally, Qobuz was said (at least on this forum) to be worse in this regard, something about some quirks with French copyright

That is strange. I don’t get close to what you’re seeing. I wonder what the problem could be?

Did you try different sorting? Not by popularity, but release date (newest first)?

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Just now, but none of it gave the same result. Probably algo quirks. I did a search and the album is indeed there: Tidal, Deezer, Apple Music…

Just made a reverse image search and not much more exists about this “album.”

Here is the screenshot of the credits… If it looks like AI slop and it smells like AI slop, then it probably is. :wink:

Nothing much left to do except inform Tidal and block the album in Roon.

Blocking helps against the album appearing in radio streams, but it does not remove the cover from the discography, does it?

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I’m afraid I don’t know. I would assume that the album would be completely banned from the users’ dashboard.

Perhaps someone knowledgeable about how the “ban” process works could provide some insight?