Folder Browsing [Never happening] 2019-10

[Martin_Kelly]

I know we have the ‘First Amendment’ Danny, but now you’ve made Roon’s stance on this clear, is it time to close this thread?

[Jez]

We’re not doing folder browsing.

Do you actually understand why people ask for it? Do you have any empathy for them or useful intuitions about their needs? What Roon solution can you propose that would make Luke23 stop asking for it? How do you suggest he uses the current tools in Roon to achieve a comparable result to the example in his post? This is a guy with an immaculately curated classical music collection and lots of knowledge; you should be asking for his advice, not cutting him out.

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

Do you actually understand why people ask for it?

Yes. People need it because they are used to an organization system that they built up from scratch. Often, that organization has some property of organization that is quite a bit of manual labor in Roon to get 100% parity (tags, playlists, genres) or the person is unaware of the options. Often, due to lack of metadata identification, it creates dissonance between “regular” Roon usage and “special” Roon usage with these unidentified albums.

What Roon solution can you propose that would make Luke23 stop asking for it? How do you suggest he uses the current tools in Roon to achieve a comparable result to the example in his post?

I’m going to propose a solution for his example of Debussy’s piano works sorted by catalog number.

1. Composers
2. Debussy
3. filter on “piano solo” or “piano duo” (I don’t have Debussy handy, but with Bach, I’m able to do “solo cello” easily)
4. sort by catalog number L (With Bach, I had the choice of BWV or BC)
5. now you see the piano solo compositions.
6. click one
7. now you see performances of that composition, sort by date if you want them by date, location, ensemble, or conductor

More power, more info, no manual organization work. Does it require metadata? Yes.

If you have too many unidentified albums or we have bad data, it’s not going to be good. Folder browser would help in that case – but we’re more interested in solving the problem, not adding a solution that we feel is moving backwards.

This is a guy with an immaculately curated classical music collection and lots of knowledge; you should be asking for his advice, not cutting him out.

This is the critical thing… he’s also losing out on so many other ways of browsing that are even more interesting than the thing he built.

[Rugby (aka Daniel or Big Dan)]

What Roon solution can you propose that would make Luke23 stop asking for it?

Please review my post above which details a couple of different methods.

Request: Folder Browsing [Not on Roadmap]

Yes, looking at your example, I search on “Debussy L 100 Estampes” and I get, under compositions, nearly 150 performances. Then I just use the filter and choose the performance I want by typing in “gulda” for example, or, hit the back arrow and type in “Weissenberg” and it pulls up all the recorded performances by “Wessenberg”. However, if you want to do it by tags there are a couple of methods. Most basic is creating a set of nested tags, you create a tag called “L100 Estampes” to which you…

[Jez]

filter on “piano solo” or “piano duo” (I don’t have Debussy handy, but with Bach, I’m able to do “solo cello” easily)

This fails with Debussy, (and most every other composer.) You get no results for either “piano solo” or “piano duo”. You can filter by “piano” but you will then get solo piano works, piano concerto, voice and piano and so on. But “piano solo” produces no results, with Qobuz at least.

So I ask you again, what have you got to offer Luke23 as an equally powerful alternative to his scheme?

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

This fails with Debussy, (and most every other composer.) You get no results for either “piano solo” or “piano duo”. You can filter by “piano” but you will then get solo piano works, piano concerto, voice and piano and so on. But “piano solo” produces no results, with Qobuz at least.

I logged into TIDAL. This looks like a bug. These parts are clearly known to be for Solo Keyboard or Keyboard Duet. Filter should filter on those. I’ve let our dev team know.

He should be able to do exactly what I said. He got hit by a bug. That sucks. I’m not adding folder browsing to deal with this.

[Peter_Schut]

So I ask you again, what have you got to offer Luke23 as an equally powerful alternative to his scheme?

I indeed think that you can’t, it only works with a perfect tag on each file, and then to play the stuf that you want you still need to make a playlist… The same problem with box sets, or sampler disks … a pain

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

I indeed think that you can’t, it only works with a perfect tag on each file, and then to play the stuf that you want you still need to make a playlist… The same problem with box sets, or sampler disks … a pain

See above. You can on some composers, and not on others. Depends on the data. This is a bug. We will fix it.

[Peter_Schut]

okay thanks.(our response crossed)

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

Ok, closing this out. We’re done.

@moderators, please convert future public posts on this subject to private messages and reply with a link to one of the official company posts in yellow.