How to create Statistic Figures of Tracks

[Tom_Tsui1 (Tom Tsui)]

Just wonder if anyone know how these statistic figures (in yellow color) of tracks are created ?
I am not sure what the proper names of these statistic figures are.

And would it be possible to create them for tracks which don’t have/show them, such as the sony “Crazy” from the same album as shown in the image.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

It’s recordings of a composition. The left one with the disc is the number of recordings that exist overall, the one with the library icon is the number that’s in your library. Click on them and it will show you the composition with the list of recordings.

Sometimes they don’t show. There seem to be unknown requirements that make a track a recording of a composition, and the numbers only show if it is. Sometimes you can force it, but sometimes nothing seems to help. See here and the many other threads that are linked from there:

"Show library counts for recordings" not finding all versions of a song

If a track is not included in the count as an additional recording, click the three-dot menu on the right of this track. [image] Does it contain a “Go to composition” entry like this, which is a track that has other recordings? [image] Or is it missing like this? [image]

[Tom_Tsui1 (Tom Tsui)]

Thanks a lot for the clarification.
I’ll take a look of the other posts you referred.
Thanks

[Arindal]

@Suedkiez

The left one with the disc is the number of recordings that exist overall, the one with the library icon is the number that’s in your library.

´Overall´ in this case means the number of different releases available from the connected streaming service (Tidal or Qobuz of both combined), not globally available.

Note that recordings which have been released several times will count manyfold. And there is an option for multi-part compositions being either counted and shown solely as recordings of the complete composition, or parts thereof. That will have a significant impact on the number of available recordings. The flag to activate/deactivate this option is a bit hidden.

@Suedkiez

Sometimes they don’t show. There seem to be unknown requirements that make a track a recording of a composition, and the numbers only show if it is.

Usually roon should identify the existence of an underlying composition automatically by identifying composer and track name (Opus number with classical compositions). In reality this seems to fail in some cases, for example if the composer´s name is incorrect, the track is subject to misspelling not matching the composition´s name precisely or there are several composers/arrangers at play who do not match.

In case of Anna Nygren it seems to be a rare example of a performer not qualifying as a composer at the same time so not being granted any composition list by roon. The reason for this is unknown, it might have to do with her being wrongly assigned as composer when she seems to actually be the arranger.

A consequence is tracks being assigned as her compositions are not treated as compositions in roon at all.

[Tom_Tsui1 (Tom Tsui)]

Thanks for the detailed clarification.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

@Arindal

In reality this seems to fail in some cases, for example if the composer´s name is incorrect, the track is subject to misspelling not matching the composition´s name precisely or there are several composers/arrangers at play who do not match.

And in many cases it does so for no discernible reason although everything is correct, as documented in the linked thread (and the links from there)

[Tom_Tsui1 (Tom Tsui)]

So…if I input the same composer detail of the same song on different albums, there’s a good chance I will get the number listed.

[Suedkiez (Just a fellow user like you)]

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. It depends on whether the track menu shows a „Go to composition“ option, apparently, as described in the other linked thread. And it’s not clear what the requirements are for that.

[Arindal]

@Tom_Tsui1

if I input the same composer detail of the same song on different albums, there’s a good chance I will get the number listed.

Yes, if roon previously simply had problems to recognize the composition. You might have to merge all compositions of the same name as a second step.

But as Suedkiez mentioned, there are cases in which a track with valid track title and assigned composer will neither be qualified as a composition nor be identified as a recording of a known composition.

The exact reason is unknown, but it might have something to do with incomplete sets of composer and composition details or contradiction between roon´s metadata vs. metadata sourced from Qobuz/Tidal. In case of Anna Nygren, something is fundamentally wrong, as she is not even shown as a composer of anything despite being credited as a composer for several tracks.

What might help as a workaround is trying another release as roon´s source of metadata:

In this case CD release instead of download.

Another variant, in case you have a local version of the album, is to assign a correct composer tag to every track and force roon to leave the album unidentified, being integrated solely with file tags. For some unknown reason this is making roon forget about which compositions and composers are not qualifying as compositions/composers.

That is surely a lot of work and not really worth the effort for several albums, but I have implemented it successfully with some albums which are important for me to be listed in recording lists:

I guess in this case the arranger´s credits might be the source of the problem. Leaving the album unidentified with file tags only solves the problem:

[Tom_Tsui1 (Tom Tsui)]

@Arindal

That is surely a lot of work and not really worth the effort for several albums, but I have implemented it successfully with some albums which are important for me to be listed in recording lists:

Great ! That’s exactly what I wanted. I’ll give it a try.
Thanks very much.