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Maybe I have missed something, but my point was that if Roon has modifed the metadata so now the artist or album is not what you thought it was then how do you find the file in Roon if you dont know what Roon has labelled it as and cant navigate to in Roon its via folder hierachy ?
I check my imports in the āRecently Addedā part of āOverviewā (first menu item), this gives me a chance to see what Roon has done with it. Roon never modifies the original file Metadata, so no danger there.
It doesnt modify the file itself, but it may in some case display completely different metadata to what was in the file (and hence what you are familiar with), that is what I meant by this.
Chris, I think you are missing my point.
My point being that usually you would want to use Roons settings and would import a load of music in one go, however if for some of the albums Roons metadata is very different to what you originally had you could then have difficult tracking done where your album has gone, and a folder view to navigate to your album by the folder path(that you know) would be useful.
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Just type the artist or album name in search and you would find it. After the initial imports you just do a few at a time anyway.
I can find all my stuff easily, even unreleased recording we makeā¦ They are Bookmarked to suit me. Couldnāt be easier.
Come on! I always make sure that when I add an album it gets identified as something close to what I expect the moment I add it. So, I can always uses the āSorted by Date Addedā view and see any album I add.
Are you trying to make problems up that donāt exist?
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In your opinion. In mine it offers everything I need and more. The fact I donāt have to drill down through folders or genres to find what I want is a godsend. I donāt want this its archaic in my eyes as it is to a lot of users and this is why they chose Roon amongst its other features you seem to ignore.Where files live is irrelevant to get me to play the music I want. There are plenty other solutions out there doing what you want. Roons library management is obviously not for you, thatās fine, but Roonās overall package is way bigger than just library simple library management, class leading multiroom bringing disparate systems in to one, excellent DSP controls, full integration of streaming and library so its seamless Roon again doesnt care where its from it sees it all as you library of music. The software. is constantly being improved and updated, with stellar support. Nothing comes near it in my eyes and its easy to use the whole family can use it.
Is it perfect no, what is. Is it perfect for me , YES!
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"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves ā¦ā or, in this case, the fault lies with your, not Roon.
Donāt like Roon, move on. But do spare us these picayune gripes.
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Of course in my opinion, who elseās? - I am the would be user.
I found the DSP controls fun, but easy to generate overload, I really donāt use dsp other than with room correction.
BTW how does anyone take a subset of their music with them with roon - canāt find that anywhere. Easily found in plex or spotify and some others. Saw some threads that its coming, perhaps its not here yet.
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"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves ā¦ā or, in this case, the fault lies with your, not Roon.
Donāt like Roon, move on. But do spare us these picayune gripes.
Good quote, sorry that it doesnāt mean what youāre trying to imply, take another read of Julius Ceasar. If youāre upset by what Iām saying, then feel free to ask yourself why you are; or not read the tread.
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Currently there is no mobile Roon. It is being looked at but thatās all we know. They only announce things fully when they are ready and not until. Plexās audio support is dire especially for outside, doesnāt cache ahead enough for mobile use at all. Also their library management for audio is also bad. Video they do very well they should stick with that. Iāve had it for years so now itās strengths.
It is important that Roon know why they lose sales, and it is important that they know when existing customers have issues. Just because Iāve very little need for folder based browsing doesnāt mean I canāt understand why some people like it, especially if they have heavily invested in organising their music by folders. Itās not as if the tag based searching and browsing in Roon is particularly powerful, or overwhelmingly superior. Canāt see why Roon canāt offer folders too. It would enable people who have their music organised that way to enjoy Roon when they first get it, and then migrate in the fullness of time to Roons mixture of Focus and filters and search.
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Interesting thread. I have some sympathy for @Stan_Mās gripe about folder views. Though, really, itās not about folders, itās about taxonomy. Here we have a potential Roonie whoās worked out his own extensive taxonomy of music, and heād like to have some way to import that into Roon. Not unreasonable to expect Roon to support several popular ways of arranging a collection (establishing a taxonomy), including folder hierarchies.
Personally, I use a flat folder arrangement, with a metadata graph overlaid. But if I found myself in Stanās situation, Iād probably write a little Python script to translate the folder layout into tags, and add them to Roonās DB tags. Except thereās no API for the tags, is there? That seems like an omission.
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I just chuck them in and Roon sorts it fineā¦ I can find anything I want easily and quickly.
J River lets you load tags from your folder layout. Might be worth a try. Though it isnāt necessarily the case that a folder hierarchy will translate easily into tags. Why Roon lack empathy for folk who have found a folder view a useful way of structuring their music is beyond me. Bet they use folders, paths, or whatever, to organise pretty much all of their software.
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My impression is that Roon is trying to present a more analog-like environment rather than the ādigitalā effect that a tree of folders suggests.
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And to flesh out that thought further, folders become a sideshow in the greater library environment from Tidal/Qobuz.
I can see where people used to folders would like to see them in Roon, but I think it would be clunky tacked to the side of āfolderlessā libraries from Tidal.
Yes. Again the Roon tension between collections, and streaming. Though I see no reason one couldnāt use oneās own private taxonomy with albums imported from Qobuz. The folders really just represent that taxonomy; itās the principles of arrangement one wants to use, not the folders themselves.