Melco £1999 ethernet switch

@pl_svn Yes, there are a lot of things going on. Psychoacoustics, anchoring, confirmation bias, halo effect (nice cables!), observer bias, and sometimes even Dunning-Kruger effect. A full menu.


sure: all sort of things in every possible domain but the one you experts already know everything about :stuck_out_tongue:

those are not fish :wink:

Without the risk of further controversy, there are different DAC technologies to Delta-Sigma.

Some vendors use R2R Ladder DACs (with and without Oversampling), some use FPGA based solutions.

Everyone’s noise environment is going to be different, because everyone’s configuration, environment and setup is different, and therefore the application of different technologies, solutions will have different effects. And at the end of the day,we have to listen to these systems to make the final assessment.


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Without wishing to ‘stir the pot’ again, has anyone actually heard the Melco S100 in their system?

The online reviews are quite good (German):

F*ck, so what?


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You obviously have a point of view. And I share your scepticism!
I just wondered if anyone had actually heard one themselves?

According to the review mentioned here, the SOtM switch is so good it effects music streams not going thru it. Think how great it would effect one’s music if instead of just not being used, it wasn’t even bought.

Take that Melco!


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“Die Qualität des Gehäuses soll einen positiven Effekt auf den Klang haben” :rofl::rofl::rofl:

“The quality of the case is said to have a positive effect on the sound” :rofl::rofl::rofl:


Doesn’t this presuppose that one can hear it? That is, that it somehow influences audio, which seems a dubious proposition. And suppose someone had, what good would that do you (or me)? Their hearing is not your hearing (or mine). So suppose someone says they’ve “heard” it, and says so – how can we interpret that?


I don’t “buy this” but then again there are a lot of things still to be open minded about. But for me the Ethernet protocol kind of solves most things in theory and probably in practice.

At the same time I’m tiered of narrow mindedness. I mean it’s similar as me being an atheist but fully respecting peoples right to religious beliefs. Who am I to be judgmental and tell people they are wrong? I will when this leads to hurt, but not when it doesn’t.

And Dunning-Krueger has its counter part in that smart people are less likely to challenge their views because frankly they mostly think they already got the world figured out. So whenever you want to go “popular science” dig just a tiny bit further and you’ll be rewarded.

High IQ is as big of an enemy as low IQ. Stay curious enough to hear people out or you might miss out. And if you “don’t have time for this BS” why engage in an discussion in the first place?


Sorry, but there is a big differnce between “narrow mindedness” and not falling for obvious snake oil.
Claims like “The quality of the case is said to have a positive effect on the sound” - remember, we are talking about the case of a switch - is an insult for everybody with a reasonable education.


If you have ever worked at some even slightly big company you have encountered marketing people. They are not necessarily the same as the people designing the products. And they almost always makes claims that isn’t true no matter what the product is.

Just my 5 cents

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And why should I buy a real expensive product to improve something, if the claims for the improvement are not true?

You missed most of my points. And I’m not here to defend any of those claims. Read again.

well…actually… the whole point of being open minded is… never taking for granted what is obvious and what is not :wink:

I worked with a very well known “italian designer” (furniture and all that kind of useless stuff :stuck_out_tongue: )
at some point, in the early ‘90s, those peeps (marketing advisors) started showing up (firm founders were passing along to their sons. by firm I mean… Alessi, Artemide, Zanotta etc)
know what? the marketing guy always was one of the most feckin’ idiots hanging around at the faculty (architecture) when we were students :rofl: :roll_eyes:

Has anyone heard it yet?
It comes from very respectable company.