Multiple Album Covers Within Box Set

Well, I tried to follow some of the recommendations above and tried to split the albums in one of my boxes - Serebrier’s Glazunov 8 CD cycle. It was easy enough, and each album got recognised individually. I then exported them (they would still have the tags from the boxset otherwise), and put them back into my collection. Roon immediately - and automatically - reassembled them into one box, and I can’t seem to find any way to easily split them again…

It’s mind numbing. At least, I still have the separate folders for when I will transfer the files to my Walkman, but I’m back to one disc with 93 tracks. I’m just glad I did not try this on a larger box. If anyone knows a way to stop Roon from collating discs in this way, I’d be happy to hear it.

Could be your file tags affecting identification?

This (the cases where the box is a genuine mixed collection, not a bunch of pre-existing albums) would be solved by a view like you get in box set booklets, by composer-work-recording date. This has been requested many times but has not appeared.

I’m 20 cd’s into the Decca Sound - same issue. Frustrating.

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Make your frustration known to Roon. Its shocking, 3 years into Roon, this is still an issue.

Doing this manually is insane and an incredible waste of time.

Roon really needs to address this.

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Would be nice to hear what roon thinks about this. Is it even possible and/or considered? @mike or @danny perhaps?

The Roonies are aware of the issue (and have been for a while). I suspect that changes will come as part of a major overhaul of the UI, which they are apparently working on. As usual, they won’t be drawn on timelines or details until it’s ready…

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That’s great, Geoff, but your suspicions don’t really take the place of a definitive statement from the devs or support folks at Roon.

I’d be grateful for any solid info at this point:
“It’s on our radar, we’d like to do it, but we don’t have any plans to fix this in the near future.”
“This fix will come as part of the next major version release.”
“This kind of metadata display isn’t really what Roon is all about, so don’t expect to see this implemented.”
“Hang loose, guys. This should be rolled out any day now.”

Something like that would be nice. The absolute silence from the “Roonies” at this point (three years in) is really unacceptable.

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As I say, the Roonies don’t like to give timelines or details (other than reasons for certain of their technical decisions). You may think it’s unacceptable, but that’s the way it is. Some things take a long time to come to fruition. For example, the major UI overhaul was hinted at a year ago, and it’s still not here. I’m happy to wait. YMMV:

If the “Roonies” think even my italicized, suggested bits of input above give away more than they want at this time, let me suggest two more responses that would help at least a little bit:
“Yes, we plan on doing this at some point.”
“No, we’re not going to do this.”

Why would that tiny bit of info help me and possibly others? Because I need to know how to organize the box sets in my Library. Do I continue to use a useless-in-Roon-now-but-useful-as-a-general-management-tool file hierarchy in the hope that one day Roon will automatically glom on to my file setup and display the metadata I want? Do I abandon all hope of Roon ever getting this feature and resort to un-merging my box sets and putting the DISCSUBTITLE tag info into Roon’s album Version field so that I can see at a glance in the album view which disc is what? Or do I do something in between that will make the transition to this feature super easy because its implementation is just around the corner?

I’m tired of the status quo in Roon right now regarding handling of box sets. I need to do something to make finding what I want to listen to in box sets better/easier than what Roon offers now. Which something? I don’t know. That would be why I’m here asking about it. All the general task ideas I listed above require a serious time investment, and I’d like to avoid spending time on something that the “Roonies” will obsolete or make unworkable now or in the near future. So even a hint of a crumb of information about this from the dev team would be a big help.

What won’t be a big help, Geoff, is if you jump in again to tell me they’re not going to say anything. I know that’s your opinion, and restating it again won’t advance the discussion in the slightest. And to be frank, the topic/discussion you linked to belies that opinion, since the very first sentence is: Next major UI release is going to primarily vertical scrolled, with full functionality on phones. That kind of info, even at that general level, is exactly what I’m looking to hear from the devs about this topic right now. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

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This is on our radar. We’re interested in fixing it.

We have not been able to come up with a product design for this that does everything it needs to. We’ve considered several approaches to this over the years, but none of them have gotten us to where we want to be.

This is a thing that no-one currently does well. To be clear–I’m not talking about little band-aids like supporting per-track or per-disc artwork for local files, I’m talking about the whole problem of understanding and representing box sets properly throughout the product.

This means:

  • Finding or building a data source that contains this information, and has excellent coverage.
  • Making box set support work well for both local files and TIDAL/streaming content.
  • Making sure that all of the sensible album-level fields are reasonably populated at both the box set + album level. For example, fields like release date and original release date take on different and important meaning in the box set context.
  • Complex cases are handled gracefully–for example, a box set can contain a 2-disc album. Different releases of the same set may represent it as multiple discs, or flatten all of the tracks into a single “disc”.

We generally do not build major metadata-oriented features like this one unless we can automatically populate the data–it is important that when we solve this problem, we solve it for everyone. That includes people using streaming libraries like TIDAL and people with few or no files of their own.

A version of box set support that only helps people willing to do manual data entry on local files is not that interesting. Even in our enthusiast user base, this is a small subset–and adopting short-sighted approaches to problems like this one can be really limiting later on when we try to do it right. People understandably kick and scream when we do things which render their past grooming/organization efforts unusable. So the choice is between “do a band-aid to help a few people while putting the larger objective at risk” or “wait until we figure out how to do this right for everyone”.

This topic comes up for discussion over here several times a year. We haven’t forgotten about it. We are still thinking about it. There is obviously no ETA for addressing it. I hope that has shed some light…

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I for one wouldn’t mind a band-aid fix while Roon develops a long term fix, especially around the area of cover art for individual discs in a box set.

I think its unlikely that you will find a source that has metadata for everything. Thats why I think it may be necessary to allow small fixes that would satisfy a signficant portion of users.

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I don’t think @brian does band-aids…

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To use an analogy, if I had a serious illness, I would be happy with a medicine that alleviates the suffering while the real cure is being worked on.

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Thank you, @brian!

That is way more info than I hoped for, and it helps tremendously. I appreciate your candor. I will invest the time to apply my own band-aid since a more elegant solution in Roon is harder and further away than I thought.

Cheers,
Jeff

I hate to compare but this is one of the main reasons I still maintain my JRiver library, that plus classical navigation in general

Mike

Me too. Its a shame Roon can’t implement this.

Is there any update on whether the Box Set feature has been implemented in Roon yet?

Has been, no. Will be, roon tend not to comment on futures I’m afraid, so your guess is as good…

I don’t see any updates from Roon personnel … so is there any hope of having this feature implemented anytime soon ? It certainly has a large number of users requesting it but no feedback from the creators.

At the moment the only way around this is to add each CD as individual albums and use tags to denote the box set. Very inelegant.

There is always hope!

That we won’t know until we see it. The Roon team does not provide any roadmaps or indication of what’s in upcoming releases, except sometimes bug fixes.