My guess is that Apple is re-releasing the Primephonic app (rebranded to Apple and with other small updates). This is much easier than directly integrating Primephonic into the Apple Music app.
Classical is most but not all of my music listening, Personally I would prefer to use a single music app that handles everything. Hopefully this is the direction they plan for the future.
You can set a phone as an end point that can be referenced by other control points. I.e. I can attach speakers to the phone, go to my pc and use my pc to send music to the phone for playback. You have to make sure the phone is set to public not private. It is the first option under the phone’s device settings.
This seems like a lot of trouble for most users. Lets hope that Apple comes up with a reasonable solution soon for those with real hi fi systems.
First, I listen exclusively to classical (80%) and jazz (20%). So my view is not necessarily representative.
Here’s a scenario I face often. I get Gramophone every month and try to look up 1) the month’s new albums they have reviewed, or 2) the section where they take a single work and review 20 or so recordings of it over the last century and recommend a few for your library. And 3) when listening to BBC Radio 3 programs like Record Review, often I won’t find a mentioned album on Qobuz. Happened this weekend.
I’ve found that Qobuz has say 80% of the new albums and about 50% of the albums in 2).
Apple Music has 100% and probably 80-90% respectively.
My suspicion is that smaller and specialist (like historical recordings) labels know that they have better reach through Apple and thus are more willing to invest their scarce resources on that platform.
Here are some examples of albums available in Apple Music but not on Qobuz (and all and more available on classical-only service Idagio):
And many more. These are just the top of my head.
As I mentioned, all the above and others not available on Apple ARE available on Idagio. I always try to plug Idagio when I can.
Why do I still have Qobuz? For newish albums that I want to buy, I get a better deal on high res. That’s it. Otherwise I listen to my local library primarily.
My iPhone as an end point and my apple watch can be remote?
I would think that Apple Music will be a superset of Apple classical when it comes to the catalogue.
I doubt it. Classical search requires much different capabilities that would be overly cumbersome to non-classical listeners if classical-type search were imposed on them. So Apple Classical will remain a separate listening app, although its catalogue will still be available on Music.
However, I wouldn’t be surprised if, in the future, Apple decides to monetize Classical separately. Especially since the average classical listener is older and more affluent.
I don’t quite follow.
Here’s Widmann on Qobuz (the two albums you claim can’t be found on Q):
As for Dame Ethel Smyth, it’s exactly the other way round. Much more on Q than on Apple Music. Q has the complete catalogues of CPO and Orfeo as well.
so — ???
Hmmm. I use their search bar and type in Ethel Smyth and CPO and Orfeo. Not sure what else I’m supposed to do.
Note I did this on the Qobuz app. Not on Roon. This is so that it doesn’t pick up my library albums
I was thinking maybe you aren’t in the US and it was a regional thing until I looked at your profile. But like @Poseidon77 I was able to easily find most or more of what you listed. Perhaps you aren’t searching correctly? If I type in SOMM on the Qobuz site (via Mac browser) it comes back with 341 albums. You do need to scroll down to ‘labels’ under the search results.
Hmmm. Maybe I’m just totally wrong and don’t know how to use Qobuz. Am willing to be wrong—won’t be the first time.
Ok maybe I have to take it all back. Next time I have this issue I’ll post and see if you guys can find it.
Perhaps it’s a Qobuz ‘app’ thing? Can you try via browser on a PC?
Gramophone reviews normally have a direct link to Apple Music at the end of the review.
I would imagine there being some “agreement” between them ?
OK, I tried doing a search for CPO on my iPhone Roon app; and for both I got only my local library albums.
Check out the video here of what I did, and tell me what a I doing wrong?
And on the Qobuz app, search of CPO gives nothing about any label CPO or any albums by CPO. See video here.
BTW I’ve also tried both Roon and Qobuz apps on the iPad. Same result.
So please don’t tell me I have to use a desktop. If so, then that’s the stupidest implementation of search that both Qobuz and Roon have put together. I can’t even start on that one…
And given that 75% of the western world uses phones and tablets as their primary window to the internet world
I think you’re right re the Enescu violin concerto. It doesn’t seem to be available on Q, whereas it is on Apple Music. My bad. For CPO and Orfeo, though, Q carries their catalogues.
I’m waiting to see what Apple Music Classical will be like. I hope it will provide booklets (as Primephonic did, and as Idagio and Presto Music do). No booklets would be a real deal breaker for me.
didn’t even think of that. Yep, for me too, deal breaker if not supported in Apple
It’s a well known, longstanding issue that Roon doesn’t search for labels outside of your local library. But you know, ARC, ARC, ARC…
As far as Qobuz, I just tried the app on my Pixel 7, and no, it doesn’t seem to have a labels tab in search like there is on desktop. I wonder why that is?
Yes, and a few years back I seem to recall Gramophone had an agreement with Qobuz - and the links were for Qobuz…
Found a workaround on the label thing with the Qobuz mobile app. Go to an album you know is from the label you are looking for (search for the album by its name) and then go down to the bottom of the track listing and where the label credit is (seemingly grayed out but isn’t), click that and it will bring up the entire catalog of that label.
Wow! Thank you for figuring out the WA.
If I had any faith that Roon would do anything about this, I’d file a feature request…
