Nugs - am I missing something - where is the value?

Correct - they sent an email to their users offer a free 60 day trial offer of Roon -

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Good. :+1:

It still seems odd they don’t mention Roon on their website.

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It hard for us to have much idea but from the release notes we can see that whilst there have been many minor bug fixes in the last 12 months the only new feature in that period is the Nugs integration. Also, Nugs was ā€œteasedā€ as coming soon on 3rd Nov 2025 and did not arrive until four months later on the 2nd March 2026. So, it seems like Nugs has taken a substantial part of the last 12 months development effort that Roon has available.

Seems to me like the current priorities under Harmon are bug fixes and support (which also looks like it is better of late.) New features seem to be taking a back seat.

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So they have a couple of Devs at most?

Not so long ago, that’s what the community wanted.

You really have no idea what it takes to plan, implement, and maintain software and cloud infrastructure. Moreover, such speculation achieves nothing.


I appreciate that nugs isn’t for everyone. Neither was folder browsing, ARC, or Listen Later. Some new features polorize opinion, but there is no need for this continued griefing.

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Look at it the kind of the flip side of that: there are people who would love to be on the receiving end of that same logic for once. Maybe that’s why some users look at this integration, and then feel surprised—like what’s the big deal? and then wonder whether a bit of that development effort will go toward the long-ignored requests in the future.

That’s fine. Express your thoughts, and move on.

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Understood, just a shame it seems to have slowed new features so much.

In fairness I should point out that along with the Nugs integration that there was another new feature added to be able schedule background library work.

Perhaps there are commercial imperatives driving the Nugs integration ahead of some other feature requests.

Would imagine Roon would earn something through introducing new subscribers to Nugs. These revenues might go towards funding future Roon developments. There may also be some cross-promotion, with Nugs subscribers receiving Roon marketing.

Anything that increases Roon revenues and subscribers is a good thing, I think, if it ultimately helps maintain and improve Roon for all.

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I am in the ā€˜being a bit annoyed’ camp too as - for me - there are quite a lot of feature requests which should have a higher priority than Nugs integration. Just compare the number of users of services like Bandcamp or Spotify vs Nugs and I guess things get self-explanatory.

And yes, Roon can and should be criticised for what they do if customers are not satisfied. Do not get the point of all the sugarcoating going on from some users and the sometimes rude denial of criticism or more enlightening information by Roon officials….

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As has been said many times before, it takes two to tango. Spotify are not interested in allowing the deep integration in Roon that Roon Labs have asked for.

I don’t know whether there have been business discussions between Roon Labs and Bandcamp, but the technical issues will be similar - Roon Labs require daily dumps of a streaming service’s catalogue above simple API access. That has to be developed and maintained by the streaming service. Perhaps Bandcamp are not interested in doing this.

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I agree.

With a few exceptions, I’d never heard of most of what was on offer.

Rather than the repository of major league bands live that the marketing implied, it was a bunch of garage bands with probably zero awareness outside the USA.

I just cancelled my sub.

Is that a bad thing? You could say the same of Bandcamp, and that’s considered a positive.

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I’m in the UK and I recommend you check out Goose

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I also struggle to understand the value behind it.

I mean, you only get live audio… of an extremely small amount of artists.

I can understand a new feature not being for me (folder browsing, playlists, KKBOX)… as long as a significant portion of others will enjoy it… or as long as new significant target demographic is brought to Roon.

Is it gonna be the case with Nugs though? Highly doubt it.

Roon is a service I am invested in… therefore I obviously care about it moving in the right directions, to avoid becoming obsolete due to bad business decisions and waste of resources.

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That is the value proposition.

This thread is like vegans complaining about their local butchers delivery service.

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If Roon is offering only live audio but not live video, than that is a very poor value proposition in my books.

There are tons of more reasonable ways to experience live music - from getting official blurays to watching live streams on Youtube… or simply going out to see it in person! Not to mention that the artist coverage through those media is incomparably better than Nugs.

I dont really know what the Roon guys were thinking…

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Goose are awesome! I’ve also been introduced to Humphrey’s McGee another cool jam band.

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If my butcher starts spending his time on producing vegan food instead of new or better meat options then yup, I’ll be annoyed with my butcher. How is that so hard to understand?

I dont intend on using Nugs given it’s silly small library but I welcome more services and am happy to see others getting value.

At its current library size and the lack of video, I think nugs should do a roon api/integration service only, at a much lower cost. Let’s face it, not streaming the video is a much easier load for their infrastructure to handle.

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