Hi @evert_kjellgren,
please visit my DIY rooExtend Homepage at http://diy.rooextend.com/
Scroll down to the rooDial Roon Extension and behind it you find the product page of rooDial with a lot of links.
One of them points to my download folder where you find the Quick Installation Guide with a matrix of the different models.
I recommend to get a Pi3B or Pi4 as this is the platform I use for all further things to come.
An even better alternative is to get a Pi4 plus a Nuimo (instead of the Surface Dial) from Hoerzone.
It is discounted at the moment
Touch surface, display, much more functionality and much better haptics.
If you can afford get it. I use it at home and the Surface dial is far behind.
Just got my Dial, Pi Z W and license set up.
Installed the software and it worked right away.
I had to change the Volume Control to DSP Volume to get the volume adjustments to work though, maybe I missed that somewhere in the instructionsâŚ
And also⌠what is rooControl that also shows up under Roon Extensions?
Should I enable it? What does it do?
Also⌠can I remove the sd card after installation?
Ok, good stuff.
What about the Bridge function, I have to have a Pi 4 to see that option or what?
Would it be enough to wire the Pi Zero W with ethernet?
My configuration: Roon Core / Win10, HTPC / Ethernet_OUT / EMM Labs NS1âs (streamer) Ethernet_IN. [Note: The NS1 is a Roon Ready/End Point.]
In this configuration, Roonâs volume control is NON-functional. However, I can use my Win11 laptop & Android phone as Roon remotes to: Pause/Volume-Up/Down /Previous/Next track.
With my configuration, before going the rooDial Pi4 route, please advise if the MS Dial will control pause/volume/previous/next track functions? My guess is that it wonât control volume, since I canât do so via Roon (even though âDevice Volumeâ is checked in Roonâs settings). However, I would guess Pause/Previous/Next track would work.
At any rate your confirmation of my guesses or otherwise, is appreciated.
Hello,
if the streamer has no volume control via Roon rooDial also cannot work as volume controller. Despite of that you should be able to use Previous/Next Track by pressing and double pressing the dial.
rooDial also has the functionality to fas forward and backward inside a track by turning the wheel. This should also be useable in your configuration.
Maybe it is possible to use DSP volume instead. It depends on the Roon Bridge implementation if this works with your streamer. You can try it if it can be enabled in Roon in the device settings.
Thanks for the reply. You confirmed my assumptions. I have also enjoyed your videos that have done a great job of documenting the set-up specifics.
In addition to the Pause/Previous/Next Track control, having the volume controlled by the Surface Dial would also have been nice, but itâs not a deal breaker. Volume can be controlled by the DAC via the DACâs IR remote or with any after-market universal remote. My previous DACâs remote, controlled what I now want to do and I miss having those options via a hard-button remote.
Logitech Harmony Hub offers the chance to send IR. There is also a Roon Extension called Deep Harmony available so you can control volume from Roon by IR and because of this also by the Surface Dial.
I would recommend this way but this Roon Extension did not work on 64Bit Linux used by rooExtend. Ask the author to provide that or get an additional Pi Zero W with 32Bit PI that runs Deep Harmony.
rooControl, which is part of the rooExtend package enables sending pulses to GPIO Pins if the wheel gets turned. If you like to tinker build a transmitter by your own.
Thanks for the suggestions DrCWO. Your first one: the âLogitech Harmony Hubâ, was an alternate (to the rooDial & a MS Surface Dial) option that I found when thinking of a RF/IR solution; particularly because I already use a Harmony Remote/Hub in an upstairs surround system. Also, when learning that Logitech was in the process of cancelling their Harmonyâs, I bought a 2nd. Harmony Companion remote, which is presently unused & was bought as a back-up.
Thus, I believe that I could use my extra Companion remote â via the Deep Harmony extension â to control Roonâs Pause/Previous/Next Track functions as well as to âblastâ an IR signal to my DAC to control its Volume. Thatâs assuming that the Windows version of the extension will play nice with the Roon Core loaded on my HTPC.
I also have posed a request to my DAC manufacturer (EMM Labs) seeking their assistance. With my EMM streamer and DAC (NS1/DV2) they may have a workaround that uses the EMM (OEM) IR remote that came with the DAC, or some other alternate options. My former dCS Rossini DACâs IR remote controlled both Volume and Roonâs Pause/Previous/Next Track functions. That ability provided by dCS spoiled me! [I knowâŚI knowâŚfirst world problems.]
At any rate DrCWO, your help and suggestions are appreciatedâŚThanks, -Mike B.
My believe is that IR should not be the first choice for volume control. Using Harmony Hub the volume only has a â+â and â-â button instead of a defined volume level. This is a drawback leading to a bit delayed volume changes turning the Microsoft Surface Dial.
So better you should ask EMM why they did not offer a proper Roon volume control for the NS1/DS1 combination. They claim to be Roon ready and so the streamer should be able to adjust volume of the DAC remotely. I wonder that Roon accepted a Roon Ready device without volume control.
BTW: DSP volume in Roon is very good and can be used without fear.
Please see my Research Paper here.
One more thought:
Ask EMM to send you the protocol of the 9-Pin Remote-Input.
As far as I can see bro the back panel it is RS-232. Maybe volume can be changed via this input.
Last thing on this:
Have you ever tried to connect the Raspberry Pi via USB to the DV2?
Doing this Roon Bridge in rooExtend can be used and if you are lucky you can control device volume on this way.
You should give it a try and see if and how much the sound gets worse. As the USB input of the DV2 is decoupled there should not be much difference I expectâŚ
EDIT:
The manual says:
âUSB 2.0 Audio drivers are not necessary for the latest versions of Windows 10, MAC OSX and Linux operating systems.â.
It also says
âThe USB interface includes EMMâs proprietary hardware galvanic isolation. In combination with MFASTâ˘, our high-speed asynchronous jitter removal technology and and MCLK2⢠our custom built clock, jitter is completely removed from the conversion process.â
So for me this option is more than a quick workaround. In any case in this setup Roon DSP-Volume will be available.
Hi DrCWO
Iâve had a roodial working for about 6 months. Really happy with it until this week. Suddenly now the dial wonât connect through Bluetooth. Everything else is still the same.
Tried power cycling the pie and dial and roon multiple times in different orders with now joy. Roodial just says âsleepingâ
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