I agree wholeheartedly on this one.
A few weeks ago i had a “blackout” and was out of internet access for close to a week.
My Core was up and i could listen to my local library, which was a trip down memory lane.
Roon for me is a domestic music enabler, not an “on the road” music solution.
I’m disappointed for all the reasons I’ve already stated, but I was only on monthly renewal so I’ll just go back to other solutions. No big deal. But if I were a lifetime subscriber, I’d be LIVID.
I think more and more people are going to upgrade to 2.0 without really thinking about it, then their Internet will bug out, and they will realize they’ve paid many hundreds of dollars for the privilege of being cut off from their own music collections, and their response will not be pretty.
do we Roon users/customers realize that thanks to this new appreciated features “always-on-line” in praxis Roon is stopping from remote our possibility to run our NUC, buyed only to run their software (ROCK) and manage local library too, limitating in this way in a very bad way our rights?
somewere above they justify this with a new scanning engine running only in their powerful servers… but once I’ve already scanned all my library, both online and local, and saved in local backup all the info, covers … settings… payment status… etc. etc., where is the problem if I run only my local library offline using all the info about that already stored in my hdd?
why they are so interested in having us always locked to their servers?
why they didn’t informe us about this bad limitation in advance? before being forced to update
Roon do not supply us a service and the hardware to run itbut only the service and we use the service to scan our local library and store info about inside the hdd/NUC we payed for… why they are forcing the value of our hardware to zero with this new unpleasant feature?
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Lifetime user since day one (or two, maybe). Use roon to distribute a pretty large local library inhouse. Love advanced search and integration of streaming services.
But I am really lost at the decision to make internet access mandantory. Basic search (artist, album, track, whatever is in local tags) is a no brainer.
In case of internet outage I need to be able to play local files via roon in a fallback mode at least.
Let’s not be blue-eyed and believe that the search function plus arc are the only reasons for permanent iNet access. In my opinion, equally important is licensing, because a 1 month offline grace period makes sharing a license easy. This is a legitimate concern of the company. Imo a strategic shortening of the offline period to let’s say 24 to 48 hours would make most license sharing difficult if not impossible. 1 to 2 days of grace would also cover the vast majority of outages that exist.
Those with a desire to use ARC, of course, must stay 24/7 online, even though I don’t really understand ARC. If I want to listen to my music while travelling, I can always use the streaming services of Qobuz or similar, where–I am sure–99% of our local music are available 24/7. Using existing streaming services would make online access to my private library obsolete. Those who don’t have a streaming subscription, of course, are the only addressees for ARC, who are probably very few.
I can not find this thread on the Roon Software main page. For me it ‘disappeared’ some time yesterday afternoon and since then I can only find it using the search or through my own activity.
Since this topic is one of if not the most discussed since 2.0 release, I think it is important it remains in public view.
If I am just being blind or stupid please tell me where I can find this discussion without resorting to the measures above.
See the post from @AceRimmer above in this thread. It seems to be some quirk in the forum software - perhaps because the thread seems to have got marked as “solved”.
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/does-roon-work-without-internet-answered-no/153218/480
As a side note to all of this…
I think if ARC is improved and when it comes to tablets, and the 14 day grace period stays. Then, that would keep me happy enough, as we’d still be able to play our local music.
There might be improvements in way of a desktop application. I can even see ARC replacing the remotes as our all in one app (be interesting to come back to this topic to see if that happens).
We’ll just have to wait and see.
Thanks Geoff, I did read that, but for the reason mentioned, should not somebody go ahead and manually restore it so everybody can find it? I am not familiar with this particular forum software, I only know phpBB from an administrative view, but my guess is it should be possible. Is it?
This can be a problem for some - I agree.
There’s always the option to stay with 1.8 Legacy version for as long as you wish.
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It seems to be some convenient quirk in the forum software.
There, fixed it for you 
Well, I don’t find it convenient, do you?
I AGREE.
the previous 30 day offline limit was ok…
I’m sure we all don’t. Can’t you create a new similarly named empty thread and move all the posts here into it? That would fix the visibility issue, if it is a result of thread properties.
The roon team obviously dreams on moving to a cloud based solution some day.
I must say this is absurd because of:
What is more likely? Spotify & Co going High Res or Roon providing services for mainstream in the Cloud?
It would be only fair if the roon team outlines the strategy and high level roadmap to us. We take decisions like buying a Nuc or buying High Res Music files and putting much effort in this.
What I have to admit now: I should never have subscribed lifetime nor buying some dedicated hardware.
There is also feature suggestion for this if interested to vote.
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/make-roon-play-local-music-files-w-o-internet-access/214998
Somehow all this takes me back to enjoying a performance at Sadler’s Wells theatre in London. On leaving, I found that some kind stranger had taken my hat, but left an umbrella.
It was a good show though.
But @Danny this implies that roon has to store a lot of my data and information about my local library in the cloud. Correct?
- Information about your music collection is used to provide you with rich metadata, and is stored in Roon’s database on your computer or Roon Core appliance. This information is processed and cross-referenced on Roon’s servers, but isn’t stored there.
This leads roon into trouble because you do not stick to the policy. Right? Please comment on this.
Agreed. What’s worrisome about this to me is that it seems like a philosophy shift. I invested in a NUC device specifically to run Roon as a local server for my local files, with streaming optional, and now an internet connection has become mandatory. Makes you wonder what other design shifts will follow.