Roon Extension : RHEOS 2-way control & 192Hz/24bit Playback and Grouping on Denon/Marantz HEOS devices now in Extension Manager

patrick_mccarthy · December 10, 2024, 8:46pm

no joy so far…

→ 12/10/2024, 01:42:09.106 PM RHEOS: ACTIVATED : OUTPUT - Patio-AVR
file:///home/node/app.mjs:1670
if (zone.now_playing?.seek_position >1 && player.now_playing?.three_line?.line1 == zone.now_playing?.three_line?.line1 && (Math.abs(zone.now_playing?.seek_position - player.position) > 5)){
^
TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading ‘now_playing’)
at update_position (file:///home/node/app.mjs:1670:52)
at process.processTicksAndRejections (node:internal/process/task_queues:95:5)
Node.js v19.9.0
/bin/sh: 1: pkill: not found
→ 12/10/2024, 01:42:17.508 PM RHEOS: STARTING RHEOS

built a new folder and put a blank config.json there, started docker pull and launch…

went and enabled your addon

went to audio and started reseting each device to default, crashed during this process it appears - not docker crash but it blips and then in Extensions i get a new rheos instance that wants to be enable but i didnt see docker restart the image

peter_richardson · December 10, 2024, 9:10pm

Thanks for testing.

I’ll see if I can replicate and address.

Will be Friday before a new image …

patrick_mccarthy · December 10, 2024, 9:54pm

happy to keep testing – what i did NOT do is reboot roon server, so let me test that too…

patrick_mccarthy · December 10, 2024, 11:35pm

tested with full reboots - note - tried with using a copy of my production rheos config.json…

what i notice is when there is some change then your rheos hiccups - not docker reboot, but hiccups - i can see it happen on the extension screen - and on the roon ui, the select device flickers…

go into extensions setting area and i now have a new rheos instance that wants to be enabled… its duplicating itself (some guid/id is lost?)

i plugged in my office heos-5 speaker after roon/rheos were running a few min - once heos found the speaker, rheos “burped”

peter_richardson · December 13, 2024, 5:53pm

Thanks for testing. New test version uploaded which should catch the reported errors.

Please let me know if we have success.

patrick_mccarthy · December 13, 2024, 9:05pm

wont start:

  requireStack: []
}
Node.js v19.9.0
node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1093
  throw err;
  ^
Error: Cannot find module '/home/node/app.mjs'
    at Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1090:15)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:934:27)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:83:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47 {
  code: 'MODULE_NOT_FOUND',
  requireStack: []
}
Node.js v19.9.0
node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1093
  throw err;
  ^
Error: Cannot find module '/home/node/app.mjs'
    at Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1090:15)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:934:27)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:83:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47 {
  code: 'MODULE_NOT_FOUND',
  requireStack: []
}
Node.js v19.9.0
node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1093
  throw err;
  ^
Error: Cannot find module '/home/node/app.mjs'
    at Module._resolveFilename (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1090:15)
    at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:934:27)
    at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:83:12)
    at node:internal/main/run_main_module:23:47 {
  code: 'MODULE_NOT_FOUND',
  requireStack: []
}
Node.js v19.9.0

peter_richardson · December 13, 2024, 9:42pm

My bad - must have deleted the key file. Uploaded another image.

Sorry!

P

peter_richardson · January 5, 2025, 4:38am

Happy New Year! For those of you wondering why I have been quiet (and waiting for the next version of RHEOS), I have been working on making sure that RHEOS is compatible with the new Roon Ready HEOS players which, is not as simple as might appear. I want to ensure that RHEOS is backwards compatible with legacy devices but behaves nicely with the Roon Ready capabilities now offered. A major deficit is that they have not allowed grouping with legacy HEOS players, and that is how I use ROON 90% of the time. A major treat this holiday, was to get the top of range Marantz gear with which to play. This has a beautiful screen display for album art. So happy to be sitting here playing this tonight and doing the necessary work for a release for testing in the near future. Thank you for your patience. Cheers , Peter

anon77144803 · January 5, 2025, 6:06pm

What did you get the the new amp and separate streamer?

peter_richardson · January 5, 2025, 7:25pm

Yes - found a couple of deals on eBay and will be selling the Devialet 220 and Denon Streamer shortly .

Significant upgrade IMO.

I think the new display will be featured on future Marantz Denon Streamers so want to make sure RHEOS supports it for those with old HEOS players they want to group but be able to have the features of ROON READY.

No audible difference between ROON READY and RHEOS when using pass thru mode (of course).

Kent_Frese · January 5, 2025, 8:30pm

Is that a Model 10 setup?

peter_richardson · January 5, 2025, 8:32pm

Yes it is … sounds GREAT!

Kent_Frese · January 5, 2025, 8:33pm

Whoa… sweet!

peter_richardson · January 5, 2025, 9:58pm

50 years ago I bought my first Superscope by Marantz receiver and cassette deck. I thought I’d better get to the top of the range before presbycusis makes it completely pointless. I got them for a steal compared with MSRP!

Having lived with them for a few days, I’d say they are well worth it - each one weighs over 70lbs - and, of course RHEOS, allows me to integrate with the older players…

Should be pushing a new version in the next couple of days - I think I squashed the bug causing intermittent stops…

Oh and Happy New Year Kent!

Ryan_Glock · January 7, 2025, 1:27am

I am new to both Roon and dockers and am feeling lost. For background I recently installed Roon on my qnap nas. I am happy to scrap that installation and switch to a windows pc that i also use for a plex server if that would simplify things.

My setup consists of 1 marantz receiver that has 7 speakers set to it. i denon receiver that has 4 speakers and is used exclusively for heos. 1 heos drive hs1.

From what i have seen so far I need to utilize RHEOS in order to unify and recognize all these speaker groups on ROON. I have spent several hours reading through explanations and attempting to setup on my QNAP but so far am failing miserably to get this going.

Would greatly appreciate any help and ideally a walk-through using the current version of qnap container station (or whatever outside app is recommended and compatible with qnap)

I am enjoying roon but will not be able to justify it if I cannot integrate with my heos setup

Thanks for any help

patrick_mccarthy · January 7, 2025, 4:12am

Hello @Ryan_Glock - we will all see if we can help you.

There is a possible quick option and that is installing one docker image called " Roon Extension Manager" - this tool installs other tools - Peter has his RHEOS as an option in that tool.
Home · TheAppgineer/roon-extension-manager Wiki

and the massively long thread on it: Roon Extension Manager 1.x (currently at v1.1.2)

However, I know little about QNAPs implementation of Docker –
below is a screen shot of a yaml example - the picture has the indent formatting

also, we will probably need to convert the ‘rem-data’ volume mapping to qnap format…

name:
services:
roon-extension-manager:
network_mode: host
restart: unless-stopped
container_name: roon-extension-manager
group_add:
-
volumes:
- rem_data:/home/node/.rem/
- /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock
environment:
- TZ=
image: theappgineer/roon-extension-manager:v1.x-standalone
volumes:
rem_data:
external: true
name: rem_data

Tomorrow I will see if i can find some QNAP articles on compose yaml examples so i can see what needs to be done…

here is a timezone tool for the TZ line above:
TZ

peter_richardson · January 8, 2025, 12:03am

Thanks Patrick!

We are happy to help and Patrick has the knowledge of running on a NAS.

patrick_mccarthy · January 8, 2025, 4:36pm

a few links here for you @Ryan_Glock

so the one thing we need to do is have the RHEOS use the HOST network and not a bridge network so it can find you ROON (assuming roon is also on the host network too)

If you are running Roon bridged, then we need to change it to host or build a macvlan [bit more complicated] [now, someone may know how to configure both Roon and RHEOS bridged, but I do not as it seems overly complicated for min benefit to do so]

best solution i can see is to install PORTAINER in qnap then you can manage all your docker images graphically and never have to go to the qnap ssh command line again… this is how I run 15+ docker images on my Synology… so easy…[once you have portainer running i can share my compose file with you for rheos too]

Qnap Portainer setup for a noob : r/qnap

or
https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?p=834445

the reddit has this link but i cannot get registered (i have too much in my firewall blocking so it wont finish loading the page and i am too lazy to trace what tracking discord is trying to do… but it does look like a promising article: QNAP Unofficial

and qnap docs

some misc articles–
jimmybish/qnap-docker-compose: Docker Compose config for the home QNAP NAS

patrick_mccarthy · January 8, 2025, 4:39pm

and an older roonlabs community thread on roon extension manager on qnap - if you install this, then there are tons of extensions you can turn on and off via this tool…

How to: Install Roon Extension Manager on QNAP - Tinkering / Roon API - Roon Labs Community

Christopher_Helm · January 8, 2025, 5:18pm

A bit late to the party, but is there a install for a Synology NAS?