SSD drive for Nucleus+

[bbrip]

For me it was. You dont want to take unnecessary risks with your music collection just to save a few bucks.

But all depends on your priorities.

[Geoff_Coupe]

Well - it depends. If we’re talking about the SSD being used for music storage, then frankly, a QVO variant is the best buy. That’s because there will be far fewer write cycles than there are read cycles - and it’s write cycles that determine the wear and tear on your SSD. This article gives the full background:

Samsung QVO vs EVO vs PRO: What's the Difference?

[Michael_Strickrodt]

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Hello Goeff_Coupe,

is there any detailed KB information about SSD change / upgrade at Nucleus+,
for example from 4TB internal to 8TB internal?
I need information about the individual process steps.

Thanks and greetings from near Basel

Michael
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[Geoff_Coupe]

There’s not a specific KB article detailing the individual process steps for an SSD Change/Upgrade at the moment.

I would have thought that the process would be fairly straightforward though?

1. Make sure you have a backup of the music files of your existing internal storage device (SSD or HDD)
2. Open up the Nucleus+ and change the existing drive for the new one. Use this guide for installing an internal storage device as the basis for what you need to do:

Installing Nucleus Internal Storage

3. Once the new drive is installed, you need to format/initialise it using this guide:

Nucleus Internal Storage

4. Restore the music files you backed up in step 1 to the new drive.

[Michael_Strickrodt]

Hello Geoff_Goupe,

thank you for your quick answer.
Hardware SSD replacement is not the / my problem,
here I am practiced.
What is the detail process for an existing Nucleus system with an internal 4 TB SSD full of music files
and is to be exchanged to one with 8 TB.

All previous Roon Nucleus music file tag edits should be taken over.

It gets a bit more complicated,
there is also an external USB 4 TB SSD,
which is also full,
but should continue to exist as an external SSD (PC-based).

I am primarily concerned with the detail process,
what has to be considered and what I have to do and how,
that with the SSD change all previous music file tag edits
to the new SSD and the external SSD
be taken over / are applicable,
without having to re-enter everything again,
that about 7000 CD albums.

Many thanks and greetings from near Basel

Michael
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[Geoff_Coupe]

Both the old (4TB) SSD and the new (8TB) SSD will be in the same physical location: the internal storage of the Nucleus+.

So they will have the same name and location in Roon’s Storage Settings, I expect it to be something like: “Nucleus+ Internal Storage”.

For a trouble-free change, you should make sure that the file and folder structure for your 8TB SSD is the same as it was for your 4TB SSD. Check that your Backup software (or File Copying software) will do this.

It is, of course, always a good idea to make sure that you have backed up your Roon Database (which contains all your tags, edits, and system settings) using Roon’s Backup function (Settings > Backup) as a safety measure before changing your SSDs.

However, because, as far as Roon is concerned, all your files and folders are still in exactly the same place (although in a bigger container - the 8TB SSD), everything should remain exactly as it was: all your tags and edits will be preserved.

[Robert_Zinn (MAC & LINN)]

Samsung 8TB SSD

[Michael_Strickrodt]

Hello Geoff_Goupe,

thank you for your information.

The music files on the old internal 4 TB SSD

were automatically stored according to the Roon-Linux format.

These music files cannot be read out safely with Windows 10 64bit

(via MAC it is possible, but I do not have a MAC).

So I have read it here in the forum.

This means that all music files of the internal old SSD,

must be copied from a separate backup drive to the new internal 8 TB SSD, via Lan network.

With approx. 1.3 TB, this took approx. 20 hours, how long does it take with 4 TB music file data? (can be calculated in three sentences).

I need for this process detailed informations.

Thank You for Your help

Michael Strickrodt
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[Geoff_Coupe]

@Michael_Strickrodt

The music files on the old internal 4 TB SSD
were automatically stored according to the Roon-Linux format.
These music files cannot be read out safely with Windows 10 64bit

I don’t think that you are correct.

I have a NUC running ROCK - so it is the same operating system (Roon OS) that is used in the Nucleus/Nucleus+. It has a 1TB HDD that has been formatted by Roon OS in exactly the same way as it is done for a Nucleus/Nucleus+.

It is perfectly possibly to both read and write files and folders on this storage drive using Windows File Explorer. I also use Allway Sync to make and restore Backups of the music files and folders on this drive. Allway Sync runs on my Windows 10 PC.

[danny (Danny Dulai)]

I think you two are talking about different things…

The internal drive from Roon OS is formatted EXT4, which Windows nor MacOS can read natively. There are tools to let you read it, but its not stock.

If your goal is to move from 1 internal drive to another, the easiest way is to use a large USB drive as an intermediary storage location.

There are many other ways to pull it off, but it will require expertise and access to more software.

Where did you buy your Nucleus+? Maybe your dealer can assist? If there is interest, I can see if our RMA department (which often deals with repairs and installs) could offer this as a service going forward for direct sales.

[Michael_Strickrodt]

Hello Geoff_Coupe,
thank you for your information.
I did not know the software Allway Sync yet.
It can read Linux based formatting up to 4 TB and about 40’000 music files correctly?

To change the SSD, please see this thread:

Steps to Upgrade Internal Storage Drive in Nucleus

I’ve searched but can’t find detailed instructions on how to do this: in the not too distant future I will need to replace the internal SSD in my Nucleus that I store my music files on (hi-res downloads and SACD rips are filling up the drive far faster than I anticipated!). The closest instructions for this I could find would be the Nucleus Migration Guide in the KB (https://kb.roonlabs.com/Nucleus_Migration_Guide). If you guys could validate what I think the process should be, I’d greatly appr…

Here you can also find a step by step instruction for the change of the internal SSD to a new bigger SSD.
Unfortunately this step by step instruction is available from Roon Lab
not tested, which is very frightening and also unsettles me,
as there is absolutely no complete and therefore correct information on this topic here in the Roon Community.

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Steps for changing the smaler internal Music Drive to an larger new one:

Actual Process Step, Version from Gerald_Schrader 21 May 2019:

1. Backup Roon database.

2. Go to Nucleus log-out page: Log out of Nucleus (Go to Settings, General and click Logout)

3. Shut down Nucleus from Nucleus web admin page

4. Disconnect the Nucleus from the electric power

5. Remove / replace internal storage SSD to an larger one.

6. Connect the Nucleus to the electric power.

7. Power up Nucleus from Nucleus web admin page

8. Go to Nucleus web admin page 192.168.1.xxx: 1.-stop the server software.

9. From Nucleus web admin page 192.168.1.xxx: format new SSD with nucleus.

10. From Nucleus web admin page 192.168.1.xxx: 2.-stop the server software.

11. Copy music files across the network from the storage backup location (PC) to new internal SSD in
    Nucleus.
    If asked for a username and password, use «Guest» for both.

12. From Nucleus web admin page 192.168.1.xxx: restart server software.

13. Go to Nucleus log-in page: Log in of Nucleus (Go to Settings, General and click Login)

14. restore Roon database

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Comment: Those instructions look good, most importantly:

1. shut down from the [admin web page 2]
   (https://kb.roonlabs.com/Nucleus_Web_Administration_Interface)
2. physically swap the drive 1
3. power up, initialize from the admin webpage 1,
   and copy your music over

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Thank You for your help.

Greetings from near Basel

Michael
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[Michael_Strickrodt]

Hello Danny,

I bought my Roon Nucleus+ (rev.B) in Switzerland, in Oct.2019, S/N: 54B2030BBD6.

I have not received any understandable, complete and applicable information from the Swiss importer.
I was informed that he does not pass on such information to end customers, or at least only against payment.
Super Swiss service!!!

Recommendation for the Roon Nucleus rev.C:
please provide connection options there for 4 additional internal SSD’s.

Thanks for your help.

Greetings from near Basel

Michael
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[Geoff_Coupe]

Michael,

These instructions are essentially the same as those I gave you earlier, with two additions:

• Logging out/Logging in of the Nucleus
• Stopping the Roon Server before formatting and copying across the backup of your music files.

The first (Logging out/Logging in) is not necessary.

The second is certainly a good idea, and I agree that stopping the Roon Server is advised when copying across large numbers of albums.

Note that your IP address for the Web Administration page is set by your router, and may be different to what Gerald quotes.

[Michael_Strickrodt]

Hello Geoff_Coupe,
thank you for your information.

It may be that you have named the one and the other,
unfortunately I did not understand your explanation.

Please excuse that I did not understand this in your info:

“The first (Logging out/Logging in) is not necessary.”

The first Logout is in pos. 2.
The first login is in pos. 13

Please excuse me, I cannot find the second logout / login,
where do you think it should be positioned?

What do you mean by

“Note that your IP address for the Web Administration page is set by your router, and may be different to what Gerald quotes.”

I do not understand this statement and ask you to provide more detail about this info please.

The server software may need to be stopped twice,
when the server automatically reconnects after the 1st stop,
this is how it was described in the above mentioned Threet (this is how I understood it).

I ask for your understanding,
I want to understand this process and document it very precisely for others and for me,
so that no mistakes are made, which takes a lot of time.

Thanks for your help

Best wishes from near Basel

Michael
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[Geoff_Coupe]

I now see that you have asked this question (and been answered) over at @Gerald_Schrader’s original thread.

Follow the steps you have already documented:

Steps to Upgrade Internal Storage Drive in Nucleus

Hello Gerald, hello Danny, Gerald, thank you for your information. Yesterday I received the ordered 8 TB SSD device (Samsung SSD 870 QVO). Now I want to install this device in my Noon Nucleus+ (Vers.B) to replace the older 4 TB SSD. For this process, I ask you, Danny and Gerald please can you check the “step by step” information below. Detail steps for changing the smaler internal Music Drive to an larger new one: Actual Process Step, Version from Gerald_Schrader 21 May 2019: Backup …

[Judelow]

Very interesting topic!
I am thinking to move my music files inside my nucleus on a 2.5 ssd. Currently, music files are on a NAS. What are the concrete advantage doing that move? (I am having a hard time understanding if it is worth it.)

[Scott_Sovinee]

Adding on to this question…

I’m a total newbie to digital music, but I’ve been avidly reading this community trying to understand all the pieces to design a home digital music system using Roon. So, I apologize in advance if asking obvious questions.

If you have a substantial CD collection, wouldn’t it be an advantage to have it ripped to a NAS/HHD in order to leverage RAID in case of disk failure instead of the one SSD installed in a Nucleus?

If you have a NAS and a Nucleus with an internal SSD, would it make sense to have your digital music on the NAS and have any Roon metadata on the Nucleus internal SSD? I’m assuming the Roon metadata can be backed up from the internal SSD to the NAS, right??

[Geoff_Coupe]

@Scott_Sovinee

If you have a substantial CD collection, wouldn’t it be an advantage to have it ripped to a NAS/HHD in order to leverage RAID in case of disk failure instead of the one SSD installed in a Nucleus?

Um - RAID is not backup… RAID is a method of keeping a service going (in this case delivery of files) in the event of a disc failure. By all means use a NAS as a backup of your music files stored on an internal drive. But don’t think that having a NAS in place of an internal drive means that you don’t need to have a backup solution in place for the NAS…

[grossmsj (Scott G)]

@Scott_Sovinee

If you have a NAS and a Nucleus with an internal SSD, would it make sense to have your digital music on the NAS and have any Roon metadata on the Nucleus internal SSD?

This is basically what happens when Roon digests your library. It reads all the information it needs to identify the music and puts it into a database on the core. The metadata of the source files stay at the source (they aren’t physically moved away from the music). In a Nucleus or ROCK system, that database is on a SSD drive that is only used for the OS and the database. That makes it quick.

@Scott_Sovinee

I’m assuming the Roon metadata can be backed up from the internal SSD to the NAS, right??

You need two backups. The first backup is the music itself. The other backup is the Roon database on the Nucleus SSD. A NAS is perfect for these backup functions.

[HeavyMetalDrummer]

I agree, a NAS is a good idea, but you still need a backup. I have a 3TB library of files for Roon. I have a 4TB SSD drive in the Nucleus, I have a NAS, and then I have two external drives connected to the NAS for backups. I also have another backup copy on a portable drive that I keep off-site and bring home every month or so to update.

The NAS is where I load any new files or make any changes. I then use a cloning software to sync the files from the NAS to the Nucleus, this way the Nucleus has a mirror of what is on the NAS. Then I have backups running on the NAS to the external drives so I can keep historical snapshots of what was on the NAS at any point in time if a file gets accidentally changed, deleted or corrupted. Or if the NAS itself has a major failure that also corrupts its drives. And then I have the copy off-site if something really crazy happens…