It could be your system is properly designed and deals with any interference correctly thus not needing expensive add on’s in the first instance.
Just saying…
Some may do. The relevance of this has only become “public knowledge” recently. The cat is out of the bag. Same thing with quality PSs, suddenly DIYer can approach top end stuff without spending huge amounts. The same applies to add ons. Systems that do benefit include Meridian…
Oh, this is golden. Thank you PeterD. So you pay 450 euros for a nice case and then it sounds better. Great example of phychoacoustics. ie. it sounds better, because you want it to sound better.
Nothing wrong with that though. I have some nice interconnect cables, because they look good and that makes me feel nice, but if it cannot be proven in a controlled blind AB test, it is psychoacoustics.
Can you confirm what % benefit you hear?
Did you change all switches in your network, did you upgrade your router?
I’m thinking of putting a direct feed in to my kit from the router, I guess I just have a separate switch at the end of that for my Roon core and streamer?
Or would a better option be to feed the switch via optical, but them what benefit does the switch provide?
I found this which is worth a watch
Its part of this thread
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So, you can hear a difference even though it’s been pointed out that the 8Switch is just a rebadged basic switch that probably costs around $30 to manufacture. I don’t think there’s anything here that needs denying, furiously or otherwise.
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So, you actually get a higher quality switch with Ubiquity Unifi series or Cisco etc and still pay one fourth of the those Audiophile switches.
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Took you a loooooong time
Since switches are cheap cheap, and Cat6 or 7 is cheap cheap and you can get an LPS cheap cheap
Give it a go, you’ll have spent (cheap cheap)x3
And have had a bit of fun
To me, that’s one of the great things about HiFi
Everything does something
If you enjoy it, great
If you get better SQ greater
Er, it’s a hobby
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What did you do during lockdown?
I spent 30 quid and had a lovely time
And it sounds better (yes, really)
This is such a good post.
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Phil,
Its hard to put a percent. I haven’t found the time or desire to pull 2 switches out and try each individually and then try the permutations of combinations of 1, 2 or 3 switches in various orders.
I first added the Etherregen and honesty did not appreciate a huge change but I was using regular Cat 5 cables. Shortly after I had an opportunity to get a used SOtM sNH 10G with sCLK and a dCBL CAT 7 an ISO CAT 6 LAN filter and 2 SOtM cables. When I added that it was an immediate Yeah that’s better moment. Those cables are amazing and since then I purchased another dCBL Cat 7. I can’t say whats happening but I appreciate lower noise, blacker background, more musically pleasing audio. The low end is more detailed and present, notes are better delineated. Its just better. Since then I added fiber between the two switches, its certainly no worse with fiber but again I don’t have the desire to try it back with ethernet cables. I cant say which switch is making the biggest improvement, I think there is a synergy with the different switches.
Since then I added the 8Switch, and honestly I was expecting to send it back. I initially was thinking of putting it between the Etherregen and the home router to reduce noise sent to the Etherregen. It was good there but I found putting it between the SOtM and my Innous Statement benefited the local playback from the Statement as the Statement is a Roon endpoint and the Core is on an Antipodes Core music server. The Statement sends the local file thru the 8Switch and thru the SOtM to the Antipodes Core for processing and then back the same route to the Statement and then out to the DAC. I listen to a lot of Tidal and Qobuz and it definitely brings it closer to local playback.
I also added a Network Acoustics ENO Ag Ethernet filter and can’t say enough about how much I like it.
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Hilarious! Stephen, but fear not, I’m not trolling at all, I agree with your findings
Having said that, many will google what you’ve done and poop themselves 
However, as I said before; it’s a hobby. I expect most here will have a few switches and some spare Catx cable
Give it a go… nothing (or a few €$¥£) to try
No result, no loss and a bit of hobby fun
Some result, maybe investigate
It’s a hobby - I don’t need to preach or be preached at, and nobody went hungry or died
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Get one, if it works 
bargain
If it doesn’t, send it back - or sell it to a gullible person and sleep smugly
I’ve been reading quoted statement frequently in forums and publications, whenever descriptions of immeasurable improvements are attempted.
I really am curious, if you were hearing more noise before and are still hearing noise unrelated to the music after introduction of described improvements.
If so:
- Shouldn’t that be measurable?
- I clearly am relieved, since my system does not exhibit that shortcoming, although I employ high sensitivity speakers and no audiophile improvements.
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If you can try at ‘no risk’ (and of course that depends on your view of risk, be it cost/time/comfort) give it a go
The measure discussion?
Makes no odds
I heard Paul say a noisy switch will impact the computers they are connected to. Building a less noisy switch then does make a difference, as do ethernet filters like in the SOtM and Network Acoustics products. I hear the difference. My Roon Core is a computer as is my Innuos Streamer. They both benefit with a quieter switch. Kind of like a sports car will run better on better gas an audiophile computer will perform best with the cleanest signal.
That’s why replacing the switches SMPS power supply with a low noise LPS makes a difference. I have a Farad on the SOtM, Uptone LPS 1.2 on the Etherregen and Uptone JS-2 on the 8Switch.
This takes the argument to a whole new level:
For the naysayers … OMFG, WTH, and so on.
For those inclined to believe that an expensive switch can defy the laws of logic, physics, electronics, and so on, here’s some more ‘evidence’ to support the cause 
Yes, and it also makes poetry you get from the internet more touching, your calculation tables sharper and you online banking transactions … I don’t know 
I hope the whole IT world will now stop using all these noisy switches and make the internet a better place.
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Ok, after “UpTone Audio recommends a break in period of 100 hours.” I had to stop reading.
Did you also break in your new laptop or did this device has tubes that need a break in?
This either clearly shows the absolute lack of knowledge about digital electronics or that they are deliberately trying to deceive customers with empty phrases from the old analog times. The only reason to recommend a break in period with modern electronics is to suggest that the lack of directly perceptible improvement will subside.
A solid education is the best protection against snake oil and all the flat-earthers that praise the positive effects of snake oil.
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