It might be that it looks like it favours streaming as when you compare the volume of streaming titles available compared to your local library - your local library is probably a drop in a bucket or the sea by comparison.
I wish I could restrict Roon Radio to my Roon library, which would include anything from Tidal or Qobuz that I have added to my library. I have so many albums that Iāve added from the services that Iāve never gotten around to listening to. I have Roon specifically to help remind me about that. I actually hate it when Roon Radio gives me tracks I donāt already have simply because thereās so much in my collection already waiting to be discovered.
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Iāve experienced this many times: Roon Radio playing a track from Tidal for which I have one or more performances in my library. Iāve always wondered why Roon did that. Havenāt used Roon Radio much recently, but Iāll keep an eye on this, as it were.
I have often wondered this myself. Why stream when I have it locally. I enjoy seeing my play counts going up as sad as that may be to some and that doesnāt happen if a streamed version is played.
Iām not at all suggesting removing Tidal and Qobuz from radio. A slider would just enable it to fit more different occasions or desires.
You can already limit radio to your library easily. Thereās a toggle for that. A slider just gives more control to do mostlylocal with some streaming.
I remembered seeing that once upon a time, but I went looking for it a month or so back and couldnāt find it. I looked again before posting and still couldnāt find the setting. Where is it?
Thanks. Putting this setting in the Settings section would be just too simple.
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I see this behavior all the time. Just now I started a brief Roon Radio session based on Love & Moneyās Halleluiah Man. Below is the log, cleaned up bit but with all the tracks that Radio played. In bold are the tracks for which I have FLACs in my library, all part of a complete album ripped from CD. I count 18 tracks played after the seed. Radio streamed all of those, including 8 tracks that I have in my local library. Actually I have two different versions of Roachfordās Cuddly Toy as well, on compilation albums, but correctly tagged and associated with a composition. My library holds roughly 1,750 albums and 24,000 tracks. Happy to provide whatever diagnostics you need.
08/28 15:55:34 Trace: [zone 818v3] auto-swim based on Love and Money - Halleluiah Man
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08/28 15:55:36 Trace: [818v3] [Lossless, 16/44 FLAC => 16/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Scarlet - All About Eve
08/28 15:55:39 Trace: [streamingmediafile] finished caching http://ab-pr-fa.audio.tidal.com/1912192/dc123ac4a589c6fbb2be8717bfcf7443_37.m4a
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[LOADING @ 0:00] Iām Still Waiting - River City People
08/28 15:55:42 Trace: [mlradio] [2] accepting 129:0:6694470 from Tidal
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08/28 15:55:47 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Davy - Danny Wilson
08/28 15:55:47 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:55:47 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:55:53 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] I Will Walk With You - Bruce Hornsby & the Range
08/28 15:55:53 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:55:53 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:01 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Cuddly Toy (Feel for Me) - Roachford
08/28 15:56:01 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:01 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:11 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Circus Lights - Deacon Blue
08/28 15:56:11 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:11 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:15 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Over My Shoulder - Mike + the Mechanics
08/28 15:56:15 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:15 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:17 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Donāt Tell Me - The Adventures
08/28 15:56:17 Trace: [mlradio] [2] [music/mlradio] GetNextItem(1 / 14)
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08/28 15:56:24 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] S.O.S. - Go West
08/28 15:56:24 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:24 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:29 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Somewhere In My Heart - Aztec Camera
08/28 15:56:29 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:29 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:34 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Heaven Help Us All - Wet Wet Wet
08/28 15:56:34 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
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08/28 15:56:41 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Meet Me in the Morning - Everything But the Girl
08/28 15:56:41 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:41 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:56:52 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Standing In the Light - Level 42
08/28 15:56:52 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:56:52 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:57:08 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] He Looks Like Spencer Tracy Now - Deacon Blue
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08/28 15:57:17 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] You Remain an Angel - Danny Wilson
08/28 15:57:17 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:57:17 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:57:28 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Donāt Look Down - Go West
08/28 15:57:28 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:57:32 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] Me and Bobby D - Everything But the Girl
08/28 15:57:32 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:57:32 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
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08/28 15:57:48 Trace: [818v3] [LowQuality, 24/44 TIDAL AAC => 24/44] [100% buf] [LOADING @ 0:00] People - Level 42
08/28 15:57:48 Info: ComputeSwimType(LimitToSeed=False, PerformerIds.Count=0, ComposerIds.Count=0)
08/28 15:57:48 Trace: GOT RESPONSE done
08/28 15:57:48 Trace: [meridian] [10.0.1.150:57345] GOT RESPONSE ack
Same hereā¦some months ago Radio was a good mix of local + tidal tracks, now itās simply tidal radio, leaving my library tracks with better quality out of the streaming process.
Any clue? Something that was working ok itās now broken.
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Exactly what I am finding. I love searching for an artist and then using the Play Now button to just randomly play songs from that artist. I find the following almost always happens:
Under library versions of an album I have a local 24-96 copy that is marked as the preferred copy and a 16-44.1 Tidal copy. The songs selected are always from a Tidal 16-44.1 copy, may not even be the Tidal version in my library. I also have cases where I only have a local copy of an album under versions (thus just a single copy of the album in my library) and this is ignored and songs are chosen from Tidal copies of the same album.
I often see Roon choosing Qobuz (previously Tidal) versions of tracks I have on NAS. Because I own a CD rip or download, I would almost certainly never āfavouriteā a Qobuz version or add it to my library, so it surprises me that Roon tends to pick these versions at all.
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@danny is this the sort of example data you are looking for? In my experience Roon Radio largely ignores my local library. I realize that āfor mostā streaming is the future but for someone like me, who still collects and curates his own music, Roon ignoring my albums in favor or Tidal is borderline insulting :-). I once heard that itās considered an insult to bring a bottle of wine to a French personās home. What, my wine is not good enough? Not sure if thatās true but thatās what this Roon Radio behavior feels like.
Can you clarify what you mean by this? It could mean a few different things, for example it could mean that you want Roon radio to pick music in your library only, or maybe just more oftenā¦ or it could mean that if it picks music from streaming, but you have a local file that is the same content, it should play your local file
Because Roon Radio is supposed to add value by letting the user discover new, related music, I fully applaud a bias towards streaming content.
Now if only the bloody feature would actually DO this instead of stupidly iterating through a limited set of artists and albums when seeded with classic Dad Rock, Iād be on my way to actually liking Roon (add a serious search function to that and Iāll stop complaining).
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I mean the latter, as shown in my post earlier. Primarily because when I have an album in my library, the primary version is usually a pressing I chose very deliberately. If I have it in my library, Iām not interested in hearing the Tidal version. But also because I have a low res Tidal subscription that I use mostly for sampling music and the occasional party playlist.
Right, this is the point. Roon will play a streaming file when I know I have that track in my library, in a hi res or other version I have chosen. It is not a huge deal if the intention is āradio listeningā in a sense but I donāt really understand why Roon wouldnāt select the version I have designated as primary.
I also donāt love it when Roon selects the track from a ābest ofā compilation instead of the track from the album that is primary, but maybe that logic is harder to defeat. Just sometimes the best-of compilation version is edited, shortened, etc.
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This is untrue. Roon will play local / higher quality versions if they match.
If you are in a situation where you think this is happening, then your local copy lacks an equivalence to the album Roon Radio chose to play from.
For example, you might be in this situation if:
- if your local content is high resolution, but it has not been identified by Roon and populated with metadata.
- if your local content is from a different edition, print, remastering, etcā¦ basically, if the album has been identified, but was identified as something different.
- if your local content was misidentified as a different edition, print, remastering, etc from the album on which Roon Radio chose to play content
- if you Roon Radio decided to play a different edition, print, remastering, etc from what you have in your library.
There is a lot of places where this can not match up, but in the cases where it does match up, itāll prefer the higher quality local content.
@soundserge ā the way to confirm that actual equivalence has been achieved is to visit the album that was played from tidal and look in the versions tab to see if your local files are listed.
OK, just did another Roon Radio session, starting with China Crisis from my library. I thumbed down all tracks for which I didnāt have matching tracks/albums in my library. Not a single track was played from my library, while I can see local matching albums for all of these in the Versions tab. Note that all these tracks are streaming from Tidal (low quality signal path, no waveform):
All subsequent tracks I give a thumbs up are Tidal versions also. I have all these albums in my Library.
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