Are dropouts inevitable? Is any number tolerable? Just bought whole new system

[grizaudio (Stephen)]

My money is betting your good to go.

[Johnny_Ooooops (Listener in Chief)]

I’m really pleased to hear it. Orbi and Eero both e good kit.

There’s no way to be sure that you are permanently “good”, but you’ve proven to yourself that you can diagnose and solve an issue. And you have a better (if, like mine, imperfect) understanding of first principles to go back to. Twice in my ~4 year Roon journey I’ve had “regressions” meaning that my audio performance started getting worse as yours did. Both were network related. Once I had introduced a bad “loop” and had created a network storm that was unnoticeable to anything else on my network but which caused Roon to hiccough. Took me weeks to figure out what was going on, and a moment to fix. It was all “on me”. Another time, I made a few network setting changes that inadvertently & unbeknownst to me resulted in me going back to my ISPs DNS servers. That again took weeks because that was inconceivable to me that what I’d done would result in that change. So now I diet of have a mental checklist of crap that can go wrong.

Tbh, I really do wish Roon had more passive instrumentation on home network performance built into it so it would just warn you as opposed to you experiencing it. And they could monitor the profiles of all users in aggregate. From my perspective the service is a delicate one where they are in a sense operating hybrid infrastructure inside your home and in the cloud. And they have increased their ability to do active monitoring by putting logs on request. But if wishes were nickels…

Anyways, glad you’re up and running again, and next time you run into issues, reread this thread and take a second to think about what might have changed is my advice. Happy music!

[Mikael_Ollars]

@Johnny_Ooooops

Tbh, I really do wish Roon had more passive instrumentation on home network performance built into it so it would just warn you as opposed to you experiencing it.

Hear, hear!

[Traian_Boldea]

Yes, that would be nice.

[MikeD (- Music Is In The Ear Of The Beholder)]

@Johnny_Ooooops

Tbh, I really do wish Roon had more passive instrumentation on home network performance built into it so it would just warn you as opposed to you experiencing it.

Sounds like a pretty good Feature Request …

Which port is setup for Roon, how many and which endpoints are connected, Internet up, IP addresses.

All in one place.

I could go on and on.

–MD

[ODS]

I would like such a dashboard too but I kinda get why they don’t offer it. Audiophiles can be quite OCD about their systems. There will be people who don’t hear anything wrong but will the moment they see a stray error or two on the “dashboard” thus causing a huge uptick in complaints. I guess they figure let problems get to the point of audibility.

[Traian_Boldea]

@ODS

There will be people who don’t hear anything wrong but will the moment they see a stray error or two on the “dashboard” thus causing a huge uptick in complaints.

very valid point

[Anthony_B (Tony)]

Yes but Roon could use this to its advantage, with dashboard switch settings for:

• Blacker Blacks
• Higher Highs
• Lift That Veil!

Despite protestations from Roon that these switches do nothing, it would not stop a certain section of users from claiming increased SQ.

[Traian_Boldea]

@Anthony_B

• Blacker Blacks
• Higher Highs
• Lift That Veil!

@Anthony_B

claiming increased SQ

or the other way around, claiming decreased SQ

[Anthony_B (Tony)]

Service Status dashboards and diagnostics have been requested many times before.

At the very least, Roon should flash up a warning at startup if your Core is connected via WiFi, stating that this could cause performance issues.

[Bill_Janssen (Wigwam wool socks now on asymmetrical isolation feet!)]

I actually re-purposed the cable TV coax already strung in my new house, using MoCA. Ethernet, after all, ran first over coax. Works well, at full speed, if you’ve found and removed all the subpar cable splitters. Which is sometimes tough to do, as they can be inside the walls.

[Johnny_Ooooops (Listener in Chief)]

I’ll also mention this post, because I think it’s worth noting:

Wired connection worth it

For the longest time I could not stream 192/24 bit, my streamer was networked via wifi. I finally took a day and ran ~100 feet of 6a network cable from the router to the streamer and wow, what a difference. No issues anymore. Epic as I had to route outside the house, but a few hardware store trips on and finally done.

[MikeD (- Music Is In The Ear Of The Beholder)]

Running wires can be challenging but I believe it is necessary. Even if you have to pay someone, it is a 1 time expense which the end results can be very gratifying. Wi-Fi will almost always be needed for remotes but endpoints if you can set it up hardwired is the way to. I can understand those in rentals have their hands tied and have no choice but to go Wi-Fi.

–MD

[ODS]

Noted w/ thanks…

I had Roon & Tidal running nearly all of yesterday and did not have any drop-outs. And this was while my kids (home from college) were playing video games with friends over the internet. So Roon was working flawlessly while our “intranet” was under stress.

So for the time being, the Core connected to the nearby Orbi via ethernet seems to be doing the trick. …But if the dropouts return, I’ll probably have someone come and run ethernet cable. …Not crazy about the idea of spending yet another $4-500, but drop outs are as annoying as a canker sore.