It’d love for Roon to be reliable and work, I’ve not used it to play music for over a month and my yearly subscription is good until the end of December I think.
I don’t think that the fact it updates regularly helps, that updates are almost mandatory as you need your iOS or Android controllers to be on compatible versions to the server.
So you can’t easily stick on a version that works for you.
For local only playback I find Roon fine, add a Qobuz library and it becomes too much of a chore, IMO.
I hope they fix it
It’s busy splitting mine in the background at the moment, these albums were fine when I looked in the past hour, now split
(Chartbusters now 3 albums, Golden age of rock ‘n’ Roll now 2.
.sjb
I’m guessing you have Steppenwolf and Junior Walker as saved artists separately?
Interesting that the album has different DR, I’m guessing again it’s looking just at that artists track and not the release when determining that value.
I’m seeing a different problem here. To find split albums, I did a focus on albums that had only one track. I then merged all the albums that had been split. But now if I search on the albums that I had merged, I don’t find those albums.
This was also the case before. Example:
I had one album called the Best of Studio One, Vol 1 that had one track.
I did a search on Best of. Studio One, and it did not find the album.
Somehow I merged it (don’t remember how), and searched again.
I still cannot find the album, though I will see tracks from the album in the track list.
I can submit metadata if you need me to (and if you remind me how to do it.)
I see what you’re getting at and I do but not “the Rocking R’s” who are the ones orphaned from the Rock ‘n’ Roll album.
In the same timeframe last night the Charlie Gillett album which I had just ripped went from identified to unidentified and then I edited and (re) identified it.
.sjb
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Hello,
I hadn’t seen the history @Suedkiez sent me the history.
I’ll get in touch too, maybe we can combine this?!
Is the problem still being worked on or questioned?
Thank you.
@benjamin…OOOk, bizarrely, the export has 5030 rows (5029 of data)…so…upload I go…
There appear to be the following duplicates in the Excel file only:
| Album Artist | Title |
|---|---|
| Various Artists | Easy 80s: Angel of the Morning |
| Various Artists | Easy 80s: At This Moment |
| Various Artists | Easy 80s: Lost in Love |
| Various Artists | Easy 80s: Secret Lovers |
| Various Artists | Eccentric Soul: The Capsoul Label |
| Various Artists | New Wave 80s, Vol. 1 |
| Various Artists | Nick at Nite: A Classic Cartoon Christmas, Too |
| Various Artists | Nick at Nite: A Classic Cartoon Christmas |
| Neko Case | Furnace Room Lullaby |
| Neko Case | Hell-On |
| Neko Case | The Worse Things Get, The Harder I Fight, The Harder I Fight, The More I Love You |
| Neko Case | Middle Cyclone |
| Neko Case | Fox Confessor Brings the Flood |
| Neko Case | Blacklisted |
But when using Roon, these albums only appear once, with no “versions” and there is no duplication anywhere:
Here’s some spreadsheet detail:
Here’s what it looks like after a reboot:
If there is anything these albums have in common, they all have tracks that are referenced in my imported .m3u playlists.
Should I be annoyed at the simple little wrong number being the only problem? Perhaps not. But strangely, I am…
10/27 edit:
I’m uploading a new file to your link (third, if I think), @benjamin …but…
Reminds me of the old days:
But then a few minutes later, it’s back down on its own:
Will upload a fifth file…
FWIW, I compared the “6740” version duplicates to the “6577” version duplicates, and the differences have to do with what I am presently playing (soundtracks). Seems that when I play something, it disappears from the “overages” I am seeing. It is almost as if things in the queue are affecting the number. Will keep playing around…
Further edit, 28 October 2024:
I got up to “11727 of 5029 albums” and “151341 of 53215 tracks” and I gave up and had to reboot because I noticed that my actual album count went up by one (5028 to 5029) and it was driving me crazy. I saved a bunch of data from before and afterward and let me tell you…I had one album (Sacred Treasures: Choral Masterpieces From Russia | Various Artists | Hearts of Space Records) that had “Various Artists” as the track artist for tracks 1 & 17, and Roon decided that it was two albums in the middle of the mess yesterday - Tracks 1 & 17 became another “version” of the album. This was out of the blue. I could not merge the albums or edit tracks on them, either. Wowza. So I copied the album off of my server, deleted it, cleaned my Library, fixed the metadata to “Various” on 1 & 17, and then copied it back as a new album. Problem solved, but only temporarily, of course.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again: one has to be careful about the use of “Various Artists” in any dimension of Roon outside of “Album Artist” - don’t try creating a tag called “Various Artists” and now certainly don’t have a track artist with that label. Roon needs to take a careful look at all of the places in its code where “Various Artists” is involved in logic…paging @benjamin…
So Chartbusters has automagically corrected itself whilst Golden Age still has an orphan but a different one now.
6 months and counting……….
.sjb
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@benjamin we’re here tonight, so I uploaded another file to you guys…
Neko Case is not in the list of duplicates this time…
I thought things might have improved a bit with the last update - just one messed up album at first - but now I have 46.
I’m not convinced it’s Roon, is your tagging accurate and consistent? Also, most of what you did a screenshot of appear to be unique releases.
Titles are not the same …
Yes.
I think this is a result of the Focus I’ve applied. For example, here’s the problem with the first album in your screen grab … track 14 is missing.
I am. It isn’t conceivable that I have a bunch of albums that are OK one minute, but messed up the next. Nothing changes with the files or their metadata but sometimes Roon recognizes them as whole albums, and sometimes it doesn’t. No amount of tinkering with tags has made any difference. This is most certainly a bug.
Also, since posting earlier I restarted Roon and now only have 8 messed up albums rather than 46. How come Roon now recognizes 38 albums correctly but couldn’t do so this morning?
I was only going on your screenshot, not all are various artist compilations. There are some subtle differences in the spelling of the titles as well, like Roon is using local metadata.
If you’re saying everything is tagged perfectly I’m not disputing it, hope you find a solution.
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Hi @DDPS,
Apologies for the delay in response! Our team is still investigating possible mechanisms to cause such issues, I don’t have any updates to share yet, unfortunately.
When we have new information to share, we’ll update you here! Thanks again. 
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thanks @benjamin
I’ve seen instances where tracks in multi-artist compilations get orphaned, e.g. one track will show up as a separate album under the artist for that track, while all the others are together in a various artists album. In all the instances where tracks were being orphaned, I noticed that the local file tag for Album Artist was blank. The solution I’ve found is to make sure that the local file tag for Album Artist is “Various Artist”. Updating the file tags, and then restarting Roon has fixed the issue in every instance I’ve found so far.
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Is this something you’ve done since 2017 or is it a newish issue in the past year?
I’m on holidays at the moment and Arc is showing up loads of orphans
I must check your hypothesis when I get home but I wonder why they would spontaneously be split then reconnected then split again.
I have to say I’m mightily fed up with the time it’s taking roon to sort this out as it is definitely something roon has done to cause this as it is a new problem.
.sjb
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This is something I started to look at only recently. I hadn’t noticed this issue until a couple of weeks ago, and discovered this fix this week.
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I’ve found that it can help, at least in the first instance, but the “fix” doesn’t stick.
This is the key point, i.e. there’s clearly a bug that affects how Roon identifies and collates some ‘various artist’ albums, and it has nothing to do with the metadata (good, bad or otherwise).
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