Does Roon care about non-streamers anymore?

I won’t. And I think that at one point, eventually, I will go and stream (also). But only when we have a new model. Streaming still is relatively young and not up to my demands, e.g. only the latest (often worst) (re)masters. Imagine where we could be in ten years time. Never say never :wink:

The problem here is we can wait and wait for the next thing and enjoy nothing (but our own library) on the way.

It’s all good. Enjoy it while you can. I have not heard much on Tidal and Qobuz that I don’t like due to sound quality.

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The fact that streaming services only offer one (often the worst) (re)master and then also decide to withdraw albums without any notice or explanation, still makes my purchased collection essential to me. :slight_smile:

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Are you suggesting we need a way to verify masters? Aw, I couldn’t resist. :laughing:

That’s a valid point, but there is a middle way: I use Spotify to discover new music and add an album to my own local library if I really like it. (Okay, call me an opportunistic occasional streamer :wink: )

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Repeating myself, but I listen to what sounds good to me. That’s all that matters to me.

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Sure! Master Quality Authenticated by Chaliapin, Sinatra, Beethoven and the likes in person! :wink:

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Jim_F 2022 … same here non-streaming customer… pleased with Roon

I completely agree with you Chris.

Personally, I’m thoroughly enjoying the (relatively temporary) vinyl resurgence. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the recent resurgence in vinyl releases. I’m currently listening to the half-speed remastered double-LP 45rpm release of Peter Gabriel’s ‘So’ on my Linn (almost) Klimax-level LP12, and it’s probably the best I’ve heard this album.

BUT you’re right. Physical media has ‘had it’s day’. I LOVE SACD & Vinyl. But streaming IS the present, and definitely the future. No doubt.

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I think having a huge library of vinyl (well cared for) would be fun.

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But look at the flip side. Streaming might be young, but a lot of us are not. How long do you want to wait until it’s mature? As you wait, how many opportunities do you miss hearing music you might love but haven’t been exposed to?
At least in the context of this thread, the argument shouldn’t be about ‘owning’ your own library vs. renting through streaming. You own only a very small and fairly static subset of a much larger set via streaming. Streaming lets you explore all sorts of new or different opportunities.
For all the new music I’ve fallen in love with that I just would never had heard left to my old habits, some bad mastering is a minor trade-off. Also, I often end up buying the stuff I really love a lot.

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Streaming has also put an end to the loudness wars by the way they implement volume levelling. This means that the way to get your music to stand out now is to have a w9de Dynamic Range.
I posted a link to an explanatory video elsewhere on the site.

Jim, it’s the best.

Make no mistake. Vinyl has it’s problems, and limitations. But ‘get it right’, and it’s BY FAR the most fun, and arguably the most satisfying medium overall :smiley:

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I’m betting on a resurgence of Edison cylinders!

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Instead of a shelf containing around 1,000 CDs I can walk into my study and have access to this …

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Good suggestion on having the choice to limit Roon Radio to your personal library. I actually like having Qobuz access with Roon Radio, but it is a great idea for some users.

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:rofl: but honestly, who knows what’s coming? My objection with the current model has more to do with stop paying, and you have nothing, rather than paying to download music data.

That’s very true, and it takes a while to get your head around the change, but youngsters will know or care no differently
As I type I am enjoying Mathew Southern Comforts long awaited new offering, Streamed of course…

I spoke with a dealer a few days ago who advised he was aware of a product was being developed to improve digital harshness and become more vinyl-like.