Dutch & Dutch 8c: firmware v2.0

Archimago has a nice write-up on this, with reference to an AES paper Benjamin & Gannon “Theoretical and Audible Effects of Jitter on Digital Audio Quality”.

But take a look at this paper from 2005, particularly the last sentence of the conclusion: “The threshold values [for listener perception of audible change] seem to be sufficiently larger than the jitter actually observed in various consumer products.”

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Thank you @Bill_Janssen for pulling up those references.
Saved me the time.
Dont know your level of understanding or technical background but Amir does a good job talking about the jitter issue. Worth a view

UPDATE REPORT:

Took me 2 tries. This morning the factory reset option appeared in RMS. When I tried to factory reset with the other speaker off, i got exactly the same result as 2 days before: lost 1 speaker (the same one).

Then the rebel in me took over: try with both speakers on. This worked! playing from Roon. Whooopaah!
I made screenshot from all the REW adjustments, so gonna put that back again now.

@Martijn_Mensink

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@Martijn_Mensink Just wanted to say thanks for the good communication and detailed info. Looking forward to getting v.2.0 soon!

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Thank you very much for the jitter links😀

I intend to read them over the Christmas period. Although I’m now regretting suggesting it😔

Just to annoy those of a bits is bits persuasion I do notice differences in sound between streamers. If you accept that is possible then how do you explain it?

It ain’t the bits, it’s what you do with them…

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The explanation is your brain
Do the exact same listening with proper DB testing and you wont be able to reproduce your “beliefs” / “perceptions”.
Want to learn more? There are plenty of ways to educate yourself. The problem is after you are done, you feel like such a dolt for saying all the things you have said in the past. It’s ok, science can sometimes do that to you. It did me

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Does anyone know if the 2.0 rollout has re-initiated? I have not seen anything posted about the 2 week rollout plan being further delayed

Yes as far as I’m aware v2.0.4 is rolling out again, this is what I’m on at the moment.

how do you know when a new firmware is ready for you - do you get a notification?

Ok, room correction is the best audible improvement period. No cables, digital source, etc. can beat this change in sound on the 8C’s.

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Room correction isnt new in the new firmware is it?

I did the Room correction before and i made screenshots from the Lanspeaker app. Then i inserted those digits in Ascend app, done! Happy AF!

ok but i thought you were saying that somehow the room correction is better with the new firmware? surely there is no difference there as the filters in lanspeaker would be no different to the filters in ascend?

I was comparing tweaks like cables or digital sources to REW room correction. It is such a big difference, specially in the bass region. I play ear bleeding loud techno music, I hear ALL layers of bass and it’s just unmatched by any system I had until now. Was not commenting on the sound difference between the old and the new firmware. To be completely honest, I don’t hear the difference between ethernet>8C & ethernet>Mini DSP SHD Studio>AES>8C (both using Roon/Qobuz)

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I am trying to install the new 2.0 firmware, but can’t work out how to do so from version 1.3.18, which is currently installed. I rarely connect them to the internet, so hadn’t realised there had been further firmware updates (1.4), which it seems you need for the update to 2.0.

Could anyone help please?!

I updated to 2.0.4 today, updated with Lanspeaker but don’t know if there is another way?
Works perfect for me.

For me are the 8C’s my best buy ever. :smiley:

We recently bought a new huge sofa and rug and that clearly had an effect on the sound. So I called my dealer and in a few days he came over to measure and adjust the 8C’s


again. Great service!

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Update instructions can be found here: Software 2.0 - Dutch & Dutch

Just received and installed 2.0.4 seamlessly :slightly_smiling_face:

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Beautiful space Bama!

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