New released albums add from streaming service but AWOL on Roon

Anyone else have this or similar?
The new Megadeth album is out today.
I’ve added it on Qobuz and even after a manual sync Roon not only omits it from my library but it doesn’t appear in the Megadeth discography at all.
I suppose it serves me right for trying to listen to the new Megadeth album.
Cheers

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It’s a common problem that has been going on for years with Tidal and Qobuz

I have mostly given up trying to listen to new music on Fridays through Roon as it is so hit and miss.
If Qobuz or Tidal put the album into the data drop late then they miss the day and show up Saturday, Sunday and sometimes even Monday

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Please add your experience to this ‘support’ discussion. Is it really acceptable for this to be a known problem ? Personally, I think not.

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The new Megadeth is in Roon now :blush:

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It’s in the “more from Megadeth” section and still doesn’t know I’ve added it??

I can simply add it in Roon now (both Qobuz and Tidal) and it’s playing

Yes but you couldn’t until about 12 hours after it came out.

My first listen of a new release is often in the morning (or at midnight) so this means it has to happen outside of Roon.

Also of a Friday morning Qobuz will notify me enthusiastically of all the new releases, and I go to Roon and it not only doesn’t have them in the new releases section, it doesn’t know they exist and cannot index them even if I’ve added them on Qobuz

All I’m saying is why not do the db update at 5 past midnight.

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I was just informing you that it was working for me, shortly after you wrote that it still didn’t for you. It was just a public service announcement because I thought it would be helpful

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Yes, it is an issue that has been around for years, and I don’t see it ever changing.

But thankfully there will always be someone to bring it up in a new thread as if it’s a mystery, to remind us!

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@Michael_Harris @SukieInTheGraveyard

Thank you gentlemen. No surprises here.

I’ve noticed that Roon’s web involved performance, in other words things that involve getting information or files from the Internet, being from the Roon, Tidal or Qobuz servers, is slower each week from midday Thursday until midday Saturday. I figure the sluggishness is due to the Roon servers processing all the new data being received from Tidal and Qobuz. Friday is new release day for both streaming services. I’ve learned not to sweat it and just wait until Saturday for everything to get back to normal.

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It’s ultimately down to how Roon works and how Tidal/Qobuz dish things out to Roon.

Other softwares pull the information from Tidal/Qobuz.

My understanding is that Roon populates their servers with what ever is supplied so they can push it out to users. This method will most likely always have a delay.

I’m sure the same is said for Qobuz.

For the time I used Roon I just lived with it.

Now, I don’t.

Pretty much what I do, Friday is mostly a day for digging into the library +yesterday was the turn of 1986), and downloading and getting ready any new music I have purchased.

If you think that 10 years ago all the streaming services were advertising 30 ish million tracks in their library and now it seems to be several hundred million tracks, so it doesn’t seem that strange to me that the Room import performance is awful. The number of albums being added everyday is insane. I don’t want to just blame A.I. slop as it is so easy for people to create and upload music now.

Wouldn’t it be nice, if Roon actually posted an architectural picture of how things work, so people didn’t have to ask this every friday since the battle of Trafalgar?

TBF there is an explanation both in the Tidal and the Qobuz help article

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You’re referring to this?:

Why aren’t the latest albums on Qobuz available in Roon?

When you’re browsing Qobuz in Roon, you’re seeing Roon’s Qobuz database, not a direct pass-through of what’s shown on Qobuz – that’s why there’s so much more metadata, like recording dates, lyrics, links to composers, credits, etc.

This is also why Roon can sometimes be slightly behind Qobuz when a brand new release comes out – our database is generated daily, but sometimes a new album will just barely miss the cutoff and will show up in a day or two.

When this happens you can add the new release directly in the Qobuz app. It will then appear in your Roon library.

Hadn’t seen that one, but it explains well! :+1:t2:

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Yep, I’m posting this most Fridays :partying_face:

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It’s this part that might be a hang up. Roon completely ignored the Qobuz addition until the album was in the Roon database. It did not appear in my Roon library after adding in Qobuz (and forcing a resync), which is contrary to what this states.

Midnight where exactly?
New York, York, Nagpur or Yinchuan?

It’s always been a thing, even Santa Claus visits some countries before he visits others.

You do have a point though in that favouriting it in Qobuz should have sucked it into Roon as per the linked article. That certainly worked for me that last time I needed to have an emergency listening session with a newly released album.

.sjb

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If this delay is really down to the volume of new releases and that is growing due to AI slop then the process really needs to be opimised / prioritised so that new releases that people likely want to listen to are processed first. Roon likely knows which artists are most popular and perhaps there should be a bit of manual prioritisation of other key releases.

We shouldn’t be having to wait to listen to new releases on Roon just because a load of slop no one is likely going to listen to is taking up processing cycles.

Why would it ever be two days behind release ? While daily updates are good, the reality is that most releases are on a Friday (00:00). Not sure if timezones are a factor but there is a significant window between midnight and when most people are getting up and might want to listen to a new release. If processing was prioritised such that the most significant releases were done first I don’t see why there would be a problem at all. So Roon has explained fairly well why its handling of new releases sucks but I’d rather they had a better process than accept it sucks.