Am a n00b. Big time. Need some helpful Samaritan to installing the Roon Server software (downloaded install package from Roon). The reason is to compare the Roon software playback in the same computer as HQP propriatery player section. At this point I have concluded HQP’s own player offer by far better SQ compared to Roon ROCK on separate computer over LAN. It remains so also after installing the HQPlayer desktop version on Fedora 36 instead of the HQP Embedded OS, compairing with very short switching time between the two players. Finally I have to try (I do really hate spending time with this … ) to learn at least enough how to install a Roon Server or if possible, Roon ROCK, on the well working Fedora 36 OS to be able to eliminate the “possible” differences between the two computers. in the ideal world, there should not be differences, but never the same …
I need in order to succeed, a step by step, at the basic level “open terminal software”, tutorial from one of you experts who is dead sure it will work as long as I copy each row and paste it as command lines in the terminal, while following any other sequential instructions from you. As I said I am a total beginner at this, but to give Roon the favour of having the exact same pre-requisites as the HQP Player, the SW have to be installed and scrutinized in the same computer as HQP is installed. That would be the ultimate head to head test.
Anyone planning to give any comments on the possible SQ differences, or any good advise outside my fairly well defined question (?), pls don’t. Just assume I am an idiot (you are right in that aspect, anyway) and find a better showcase.
To you who might decide to share your world of expertise with me, THANK YOU
Hope I will be able to re-pay you from my area of research in the future.
I need help installing a roon core on a Fedora 36. Not help with determining the different playback results. As I have said once before, I do it one finally again, the result is clearly audible when playing Roon to HQP upsampling compared to playing HQP player to HQP upsampling with identical re-sampling settings. So depending on the input player bit-perfect-roon or bit-something-hqp player to the HQP re-sampler section, the output result differs hughly, and with the benefits in favour of HQP player. That is what puzzling me and driving me to find a way to install a roon core on the same computer as the HQP is. That would give the same bitstream, entering the same computer using the same network adapter, ending up upsampled output via same USB controller hifi-card. Any differences here would suggest that HQP player do not play back the same way as Roon do, and using the same following software up-sampling in HQP is in my book a necessity to correct the large amount errors especially in modern music mastering. I can play a DECCA digital issue with no apodizing but ending up with close to 10,000 corrections in Madonnas Hung-up. End of my story and anyone else here trying to shift focus from the questions I had when creating the thread. Hi-jack any other thread, but mine, if the scope is discussing SQ, as I begged in the initial question.
Now, any otherone out there who are in the position with a working installation of Fedora with Roon core of any sort possible to install and operate with a graphic UI in Fedora?
Thank you, just the fact that you even mention skill level in the same sentence as my persona is perceived as kudos
The lack of it, is perhaps the reason as you say. Maybe I should ask a friend that usually hang around the HQP community, who wrote the same. The panic for me is that code typing. Perhaps the Ubuntu is equally graphic in basic handling as Fedora? Allright, I will turn to the HQP heaven for further recommendations. Thanks @AllenS and @Martin_Webster for at least trying. I wish computers were as easy as basic electricity to understand, even though basic physics is a big bite to chew as is …
Just as you know, I am grateful for anyone writing to help, but the fact that you could not stop from poking around where I explicitly asked not to, made me loose the respect. I am a n00b, at this, no need to rub it in. But I am a user of Roon and HQP for many years. Further I am a professional in the sound industry when talking about SQ, as are the people I have had visiting me while trying to determine the difference between the above. So I will state here I am grateful for your time and effort. If you ever get the crazy idea to write me again, no matter how silly my question, please give me just the info I asked for. Peace
You could try my instructions which worked for fedora 34.
If you are not familiar with Linux terminal commands then you could easily come unstuck.
I switched back to Ubuntu after experimenting with fedora; I didn’t find it as simple to use, probably there was something else I couldn’t get working, though roon itself was ok.
Thanks Robert ,
opened a new topic on HQP pages addressed to one of my contacts there who are running Ubuntu and recommended that OS. I just have to learn I guess, but it is funny that after all this years, Linux have not come out from the caves yet and still require the terminal for these things. It almost seems that Linux community keep Linux from the masses, by consiously keeping the OS just on the far side of ordinary peoples reach. It is almost a bit elitist, to not take the necessary steps from present stage, would you not say?
I had problems already 1985-1988 when working for ABB in a mainframe VAX computer invironment with i.e. stupid terminals to tap in information from and I could not visualize what commands ment to the real world. 1988 I started a new position at former Volvo Hydraulics with desktop publishing in Mac, with the fore-runner to Adobe InDesign, Aldus PageMaker. Aldus was bought buy Adobe and it seems today completely dominating the market. That is another story, though … but ment that I at last could “see” what I was doing. 2023 (38 years after) Linux still rely on terminal commands …
Linux has a minuscule desktop market share for various reasons. It is inevitable that it reflects the needs of its users, and it should. The corporations that contribute have largely given up on the Linux desktop and contribute for what they need - usually servers, keeping the internet running, etc. For many such tasks, performed by knowledgeable users, the command line is what they need.
Nevertheless, there is a lot of work going on to make it easier with GUIs and you would see if you compare an average linux distribution from 10 or 20 years ago to today. Don’t forget that very much of this is created by volunteers without payment. Dedicated desktop Linux companies are tiny.
There is lots of things you can do only on the commandline in Windows or Mac as well. Microsoft developed PowerShell scripting not too long ago because professional system administration with GUI tools is a nightmare.
One could also ask why, with all of Microsoft’s money, many tasks require Unix-like operating systems because Windows is just not good enough.
However, in the end it is most important that files and data can be shared. Users will never all agree on the same interface. My mom needs a different operating system than I do. It’s the same as my mom and myself not agreeing on the same car or music either.
I’m running my Core on Zorin Linux Pro. Which is a rolling release and based on Ubuntu.
Following the “Installing Roon on Linux” guide that @Martin_Webster has already posted it was very easy to get RoonServer running. Here I’ve only had to manually install ffmpeg and cifs-utils as they are apparently not part of the default Zorin installation.
into the terminal, which downloaded the RoonServer and automatically set it up as well to automatically start with the computer when booting Linux itself.
There is NO “treatment” in Roon. As Jussi from HQP clearly says, turn off everything except the music from Roon and let HQP handle any re-sampling of choice. At the start with Roon I added a little re-sampling and EQ compensation with corresponding improvement to the SQ, but the recent years with HQP has told the truth that Jussi expressed to the letter. The HQP is a proper pro tool. Some albums I have always loved from for the music, but hardly ever played because I could not stand the sloppy post processing, now play beautiful. Especially the older off course brittish hard rock where albums mostly are originally produced very well and it is such a joyride to squeeze the little extra out from the tracks. One of my favourite bands ever is Deep Purple and the golden age two albums In Rock and Machine Head is so wonderfully crafted, and played back in a rig with very little noise, every little tiny detail from the specific recoding is displayed wide open even without headset. Iam there, in the lounge of the hotel, on the set, recording.
) to learn at least enough how to install a Roon Server or if possible, Roon ROCK, on the well working Fedora 36 OS to be able to eliminate the “possible” differences between the two computers. in the ideal world, there should not be differences, but never the same …
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but ment that I at last could “see” what I was doing. 2023 (38 years after) Linux still rely on terminal commands …