Seriously noris, you cant send me build 175? This is your chance to close out this issue. I could install Rock 175 in 5 minutes and if it works were done! BIOS 0081 and Rock 175 worked for him on his NUC. I would expect it to work for me. Obviously the latest version of BIOS and the latest version of ROCK dont work. Dont you guys have a NUC sitting around that you can install BIOS 0081 and the latest version of Rock. How long could that take? half and hour?
Hi @TKelley,
Noris discussed this issue with our team at our meeting today. We discussed this issue with our senior QA team and they provided their feedback here on what the next steps should be.
Our team doesn’t have the specific model of NUC in our QA labs, but they’re going to try with the latest BIOS on another model and confirm that things are working for us. Slim’s confirmation that this BIOS works with ROCK v175 does tell us that there shouldn’t be any compatibility between the BIOS version and ROCK, though. There are no differences between these versions that should cause the types of issue you’re seeing.
We have many customers running ROCK on a variety of different NUCs with a variety of different BIOS versions and we have not seen any other reports of this type of issue occurring. The team is going to do some testing, but ultimately we need to confirm whether this is a hardware related issue or if it’s specific to ROCK. Running another OS like Ubuntu, as Noris suggested previously (which was also recommended by our senior QA team) is going to allow us to confirm where the issue you’re experiencing is stemming from. If you experience similar issues with other operating systems, chances are this is a hardware related problem.
You have our apologies for the trouble here, Tim. If you have any other suggestions for testing the hardware I’d be happy to present it to the team, but installing Ubuntu as a quick test is definitely our recommendation for moving forward here.
Slim’s confirmation that this BIOS works with ROCK v175 tells me that something bad happened to Rock between 175 and your latest ROCK. Things start to go bad here even before Rock tries to connect to the network. The root problem here is that ROCK cant get the MAC address. Please take a look at my screenshot at reply #10
Okay UNCLE, To be a good ROON team player I will try to install Ubuntu onto my NUC. Never done that before. I have a NUC7i7bnh. I clicked on noris’s suggested link https://ubuntu.com/download/intel-nuc-desktop to install Ubuntu for intel nuc desktop.
Do I want to install the “Dawson Canyon and June Canyon NUC - Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 LTS Image” ?
Is this the correct ubuntu to download and install for my NUC7i7bnh? My NUC does not appear in their list of certified NUCs models. Before I go down this path can someone please confirm that this is the correct version of ubuntu to install for my NUC.? Thanks --Tim
Welcome back…
Dawson Canyon are GEN7 NUCs.
Yes, I believe this version should be compatible.
The NUC7i7BNH is technically a Baby Canyon , but the Ubuntu doc does list the following, so it does sound like the image is still compatible:
1 USB 2.0 or 3.0 flash drive (4GB minimum for Dawson Canyon NUCs, 2GB for older generations)
Okay here we go…I attempted to install Ubuntu onto my Intel NUC. It failed to install…I know it failed to install because I saw a screen that came up and said something like “if you see this screen your ubuntu install has failed”. I have no idea why the install failed. I went into single user mode and I was able to get a shell prompt. I ran this command…journalctl -xb I think this command dumps the system logs?? It printed out about 5000 lines of stuff that I didnt understand. Some of the lines were in red which is probably bad. If there is a way to take those 5000 lines of stuff and put them onto a USB drive I would be happy to send it to anybody who thinks it would be usefull to see it. Not sure how to proceed from here. I’m still sitting in single user mode at a shell prompt so if there are any commands you want me to run please let me know. I hope this is helpful to someone. Thanks --Tim
Okay so the root cause of ROCK not working was that it was unable to get the MAC Address (Apparently in the Linux world it is called Serial). I now have ubuntu running in single user mode and I have a terminal shell up. Are there any ubuntu commands that will show you the Serial? If ubuntu is ALSO unable to get the Serial then I will be convinced that I now have a worthless NUC. I still dont understand though how BIOS is able to display a good serial. Woudlnt BIOS, ROCK, and ubuntu all use the same methodology for getting the Serial? – Thanks Tim
Purely as a data point… I have a NUC7i5BNH with BIOS version 0081 and ROCK Version 1.0 (build 183) running without issue.
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Thanks Wake, That is one seriously valuable data point!! Part of my problem here is that I need to convince Intel that my NUC hardware is bad so they will replace it under their warranty program. They have not been very good about this which is very unfortunate.,
Victor at Intel warranty support needs to know…
would you mind telling me if the people from Roon labs gave you any inside about what was the drivers that you currently have, or if you already had all the necessary drivers up to date?
I have a NUC7i7BNH with BIOS version 0081 and ROCK Version 1.0 (build 183)
I would assume that since this is the latest version of ROCK it would contain the latest versions
of the necessary device drivers Can support confirm this? Also what is your opinion on my ubuntu questions posted earlier. Is there an ubuntu command that will show me the MAC address (Serial??) of my NUC? Will this command function correctly in single user mode?
Thanks --Tim
Hi @TKelly,
We aren’t aware of any driver issues in the latest build of ROCK, and others have confirmed that this BIOS and the latest RoonOS build is working properly on their end.
Since Ubuntu is also having difficulties installing here, this would further suggest a hardware issue at play here.
You should be able to find the serial number and mac address from terminal by using these two commands, listed in the guides below:
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-find-serial-number-of-lenovo-laptop-from-linux/
If you wish to help clarify if the Ethernet port is playing a factor into this issue, you could try using a USB → Ethernet adapter with ROCK.
Generally speaking these kinds of adapters have worked in the past when troubleshooting broken Ethernet ports, so if you happen to have an adapter around it would be a good test to eliminate one possible hardware aspect.
So for S&G on a Saturday morning, I just updated my bios to 0081, so add another data point, I now have a NUC7i7BNH with BIOS version 0081 and ROCK Version 1.0 (build 183) stable running without issue.
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Okay thanks for doing that!! I was able to partially install ubuntu so that I could get a terminal (shell) in single user mode. I did a couple commands ifconfig -a and ip link show. Looks like ubuntu is also unable to get the MAC address so I’m convinced that my NUC is dead. Hopefully this will convince intel to replace my NUC. They have a 3 year warranty. thanks everybody! --tim
I now have the same problem. NUC is a NUC10FNH and Roon installed fine after tweaking to get Legacy usb startup to work. Roon Core functions, but no serial. I do get the webpage, but also it shows no serial. I had to use a usb-to-lan adapter to get so far; the NUC’s lan did not get any connection. I don’t feel this is a hardwareproblem. Any suggestions what to do next?
So here is what I discovered was the root cause of my problem. ROCK was unable to get the Serial Number which is really the MAC address. It turns out that in the BIOS settings I had the LAN disabled. Try enabling your LAN in the BIOS and hopefully it will be able to get the Serial number (MAC Address). I figured this out because I returned what I believed was a faulty NUC. Intel was kind enough to send me a new NUC. I had the same identical problem on the new NUC so I knew it was NOT faulty hardware. After being up all night and lots of coffee I realized that the LAN was not enabled. Hope this helps somebody!
Tim, thanks for your post, but I suspect that @Jan_de_haaij has a different issue. He’s using a NUC10, and we know that ROCK does not yet have the LAN driver for the NUC10 models installed (Intel have changed the hardware from what was in earlier generations). Therefore he’s had to use a USB LAN adaptor. I think the BIOS settings would only apply to the on-board LAN, not an adaptor, and it does seem as though the LAN is working (he’s got the Web Administration Page showing).
However, it appears as though ROCK is not taking the MAC address of the LAN Adaptor and using it for the Roon Serial Number, but is continuing to look at the on-board LAN hardware. Since this is not working, then the serial number is not being set.
This raises the question (in my mind) as to what others who are using NUC10 models with ROCK are seeing as their Roon serial numbers?
Thanks for answering the question. A LAN driver issue makes perfectly sense I’d think. Are there any known experiences as to how long the ROON team takes to provide updates in similar cases? Apart from the hassle installing ROCK (getting Legacy USB to operate) I think the NUC10’s are compatible for ROON ROCK. Even though I now understand why ROON haven’t listed the 10th gen’s as compatible… One small addition: I wonder what other people see when thay open the ROON webpage. I see a very limited set of options and am curious whether it is normal or due to the missing MAC address (later I might try to add a picture of it).
Hi @Jan_de_haaij,
As you have noted, a NUC10 is not a supported model, so there may be issues that you experience with this model type. According your your WebUI screenshot, it also appears that you are missing the codec package, here are instruction on how to resolve this codec aspect:
https://kb.roonlabs.com/Roon_OS_Missing_Codecs