FYI, from the forum’s About page in the hamburger menu:
And 64118 total users. From:
https://community.roonlabs.com/u?order=posts_read&period=yearly
a lot of the slowness issues occur after adding a few new Qobuz albums to already big libraries (mine is >200k tracks); I am using an i7 ROCK with 32GB RAM and fast SSD over quite fast network, so given my hardware I expect it to perform ok.
The facts that Roon gradually enters a decayed state and comes back snappy after restarts are indicative of bugs like memory leaks, unclosed file/DB handles etc. (especially triggered by adding stuff to the lib). If they can’t track down and fix these bugs as you say, they may as well introduce options for scheduled automatic restarts (currently not possible in ROCK). This pragmatic approach of admitting incompetence in the face of complexity and just facilitating what the user needs to do anyways has long precedence in sectors like Telecom among others: Software rejuvenation: analysis, module and applications | IEEE Conference Publication | IEEE Xplore
Here is an example for freezing up roon app
Only some reported it.
I also have this issue but never mentioned it in that thread
Does it mean, there is no freezing app for you therefore, because there are only some guys discussing it?
Quite possibly a lot of people, if they see this or one of the other threads that might be about the same problem think the problem has been described well enough, by enough users already, and don’t feel the need to add Me too! Me three! and so on.
More than enough have written about the problem that it should be taken seriously, IMO.
Roon themselves have said many times that the roon community is very unrepresentative of their user base. But I think it is worth breaking it down a little.
My understanding is that the roon subscriber base is now >300k.
There are 64,141 members on the community. About 21%.
Of those, 76 community members have posted 90 or more times in the last 3 months or about 0.025%. This doesn’t mean that they have posted at least once every day. Its just an average that gives some kind of indication.
And of those the community is dominated by just 13 who have posted 500 or more times (in some cases several thousands) so they probably have posted most days, multiple times per day. That is about 0.00433%
For the record. I suffer from slowness and search issues. My latest search failure is Yuja Wang, an extremely famous Classical pianist:
“The The” also fails for me, which is extremely annoying as they are a favorite band. A search on “The xx” is fine.
I haven’t seen it discussed but I wonder if the common denominator with those who have these issues are at two extremes. Maybe those who groom hardly at all and those who groom a lot put a similar strain on roon servers?
For me The The search is always slow even right after two restarts. And adding The to any search slows it down.
XX is instant. Surprised to see any instant results
Also, for the record, I suffer significant, consistent search delays which materially impact the use of the software.
Odd , I just typed Yuja Wang an got a list result in the search box in 2-3 seconds
Do you have albums in your library by Yuja Wang and are they local or streamed ?
I also had no trouble with XX (again 2-3 sec) or The The (12 sec) adding a The The album to my library didn’t change things
I rarely use search ,I workaround in other ways when I can. I use search only when I really need to
So did I when I did that. But like yourself I don’t use search much as it is too unpredictable. So against my better judgment for some reason I decided to use Search and just typed Yuja Wang and instinctively hit return without waiting to select from the drop down. Try that and you will get the same result as me even if Yuja Wang is in the drop down.
I have a lot of Yuja Wang. 13 albums, a mixture of local and Qobuz.
It’s an accumulation of usability quirks like this that are making roon way too flakey for me TBH.
I don’t have any Yuja Wang in my library. Both types of search (drop down or main) find her within 2 seconds. I experienced the “The The” problem though but not “The XX”
Filter is problematic for me at the moment. It fails to return some albums, particularly those with multiple artists in the tags.
e.g in the form Conductor/Orchestra/Soloist 1/Soloist 2 etc.
Given that search is unpredictable, this filter issue is an additional annoyance.
It is strange that some experience problems and others do not. There must be a common denominator.
How many here with search performance issues have a large amount of unidentified content? According to Roon, this will impact performance, see: Nucleus is very slow and takes several minutes to reboot - #6 by benjamin
How to see unidentified content?
Go to “Albums”, activate the focus filter “Inspector > Identified” and than press on the “+ Identified X” tag to invert it (it will turn red into “- Identified X”). All non-identified albums will be shown and counted.
As mentioned I used to have in the region of 2000 unidentified albums initially and roon was going ape. Have cut down my library to the core I really need and did some detective work with identifying many albums manually. 52 bad guys left and roon runs smooth like butter…
Doesn’t happen for me.
Type “Yuja Wang”, press Enter, immediately get search results.
FWIW, “The The” and “The XX” also work just fine for me, though “The The” takes almost 10 seconds to resolve. “The XX” is instant.
I am not a software guy but it feels to me as if some computing-intense local crawling algorithm combined with cloud search and local calculation of relevancy might be involved. Since search is partly cloud-based, I always noticed some queries being instantaneous while others are taking time and eating up CPU resources. In some very unlucky combinations of library structure and local computing power this might lead to a dead end. Just a theory.
I understand everyone’s frustration who is affected. But I have the feeling that it is simply a very unlucky coincidence of factors so algorithms have gone through testing and working fine on majority of systems but causing huge problems for some in the real world.
Sincerely hope roon team is working on a solution working for everyone and we as users might be able to contribute to finding the root cause. I have hope since my minor ´Debussy´ search issue seems to be fully solved.
@Arindal GREAT!! - did you find a counter or did youcount yourself the 2000 files
I also have a lot of files in that section
I think it was closer to 30,000 or more unidentified files/tracks. Was too lazy to count, just remember vaguely the number of albums…
Thanks for this post, I have 158 albums unidentified , which surprised me to be honest .
Useful to know this