Yes I agree it really is silly when Roon software could easily locate the new ID and replace it? Or could it… maybe @support could provide some info?
As we all know, both Tidal and Qobuz remove albums often sometimes its permanent sometimes its just to add a new version. Whatever the reason this leaves Roon with an album in your library that is useless and tracks show as being unavailable. I have had this a lot of late and you only find this out when you navigate to the album to play it.
I suggest it would be very helpful to add in a status option to allow to focus on unavailable tracks/albums in your library to aid with some library clean up and so the user can check if they can be replaced or not.
+1 from me. This would be a very useful tool.
Agree…+1
I would also add “Unidentified”.
EDIT: Just realized I can double click “Identified” (pouring coffee now).
Here’s a reason Roon needs something like this. Over 1000 files have been deleted most likely from Qobuz changes.
Why can’t Roon list what’s being deleted or as I have suggested search for unavailable. Given that Roons USP is its unique integration and such a deep database you would think it should be able to query for this.
I also created a thread for this. Qobuz is really bad for this. Looked at my library cleanup this morning and 320 tracks are marked as deleted or removed from streaming it’s the latter as I don’t remove my own music.
Now most of these are likely a recatalogue so Roon looses one but the other version is available under versions. I found 4 this morning under one artist where I had to add a new version and remove the ones with unavailable. This was by chance so having an easy way to at least to focus on unavailable tracks so you can look to replace them or remove them really is essential. I have roughly 320 tracks in a forest of 50k how am I supposed to know what’s what as find them.
I agree - but Roon don’t seem interested? I’ve tagged @support in above but no reply - just a ‘great idea we’ll look into it’ would help but I’m not tidying my library ever again as I realise this has lost me perhaps dozens of Qobuz tracks that were simply re-catalogued!
I know 320 tracks is roughly 32 albums, which is a lot. You only know there are gone when you want to play them.
Bumping this to get new eyes on it and to keep it active. Ideally I’d like an option in the configure (“gear”) settings of a playlist that allowed me to “Show only unavailable” like we have today for duplicates.
Should be able to search focus on unavailable for albums to.
This would certainly be a useful feature/addition
But what’s also missing is an easy means to easily replace those tracks with an alternative version (local or streaming) once you’ve found them.
My library situation:
Listened to my Brothers records in the 70’s, had many tapes and mixed tapes in the 80’s, had few hundred CD’s in the 90’s. And then started my digital music collection with free Napster in the 90’s. I was Apple enthusiast and jump on iTunes when it first started, feeling a little more responsible paying for digital music. At that point in the 90’s I stopped buying physical music and went straight digital by burning my CD’s, my Napster collection and buying all new music through iTunes and creating my Digital Library. That Library was in iTunes/Apple Music until about 3 years ago when I found Roon and converted it meticulously to a Tidal/Roon Library.
Through all those changes of different ways of listening to music what matter to me was Quality of Sound, Cost, Ease of Use/Discovery, and Maintaining My Library. If considering all four of those things I could have a better experience I’d change. And still will.
Problem for Me
At this point maintaining my library may actually be the most important of those 4 core things. My Library is me, it represents a lot of who I am. And my problem is since I went to a digital Library depending on other companies to have “My Songs” to be there for me to play, I’ve learned that those songs can come and go. I am just a renter of those songs. And I get that, that’s part of what I considered - Cost. But often times I realize that the song is in iTunes library or Tidal’s library still. What happens is they got rid of my song on the Album I had but now have it on another version. But what happens to me is I just lose songs in my library without notification. And until I start listening to that group and realize that “Hey I used have that song, Where is it.” I don’t realize one of my thousand of songs is gone. It drives me mad. I’m losing part of what I built for so many years.
Solution for Roon
Roon seems to me like the best one to solve this problem. The Music providers don’t want to tell you, that they and Record companies are playing around with your library it would be a problem of trust with their clients. So they hope you just don’t notice. Roon, I don’t know the technical of what you do to get us all the meta data of each song/album/etc in our library but I believe you have stated you use many sources including but not only the Music Provider Tidal/Qobuz but also companies like ALLMusic and others? Can you create a solution that shows us all the songs we’ve lost in our library. Maybe even going further to show us where we can get it. Maybe Tidal no longer has it but Qobuz does? But at the least something like creating an automated playlist of “Songs No Longer in your Library” So we don’t have to discover by chance we no longer have something. We can go to a place to see what’s missing and decide what to do about it. This would be a huge problem solved for me that I think few other companies you compete with would be willing to do. Because they are tied to the Music Subscriptions.
I came here to make the same suggestion. My library is 90% Tidal and they have a habit of ‘refreshing’ albums - swapping originals for remasters, deluxe editions, MQA versions etc. Whenever they do that, the original album drops out of my Roon library without notification - every White Stripes album disappeared from my library a while back because they’d updated them with remasters.
The Naim app dims any lost album covers and text to show that, while they used to be part of the library, the app can no longer find them, making lost albums easy to identify and update manually. It would be so useful if the Roon app could do something similar.
Currently I’m surfing the Naim app to spot the missing albums to replace in my Roon library - today it’s Hotter Than Hell (Kiss), Fear Of A Black Planet (Public Enemy) and A Secret Wish (Propaganda). Out of 1700 Tidal albums in my library, it’s generally around 8-10 a month that need updating.
Well, you have chosen to rent your music libraries. The issues you raise is a part of that deal, like it or not.
The OP had 4 reasons that lead up the the choice of going digital. They are not too far away from my own, even if i have chosen differently. (i buy whatever album i deem relevant to my library)
So i have compromised on the cost part, to aquire availiability (and in some aspects sound quality).
But the request is a relevant one, even if i want it for different reasons, and there are many requests on the subject.
One is here:
This has been a long term issue/Feature Request and source of annoyance for many. I would like the equivalent display to ‘Skipped Files’ whereby all ‘Deleted Files’ are listed and exportable as a list. It would also be nice if Roon informed the user at login that there are new ‘Deleted Files’. This could be done via a pop-up or using the existing ‘Red Exclamation Triangle’ method used for notifying backup issues.
Absolutely, I fully accept that Tidal are going add/remove albums all the time, I’ve no issue with Tidal, or renting digital formats more generally. My point is that in terms of library management the Naim app has an easy way for me to identify which albums have gone, but Roon doesn’t.
When I buy, I buy vinyl.
Feels like an amalgamation of these two requests (along with the ability to also identify missing albums) would cover most bases here.
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/select-search-unavailable-tracks-in-playlists/110664
Agree the ability to identify a replacement track at the point of playback (or to flag them so they could be identified/reconsolidated later) would also be useful.
I’m bumping this topic again as lately I’ve been revisiting my library of Qobuz classical music and finding album after album I haven’t listened to for a while as ‘not available’, plus some that won’t play (because the material is unavailable even when it is not marked as such by Roon!) - I then have to visit ‘Versions’ (if there are versions, if not I am forced to use the diabolical search facility!) and there sure enough is the album happily residing on Qobuz.
When are Roon going to implement some kind of orphan find feature so this can be dealt with en masse - I have a sneaky feeling these albums run into dozens if not hundreds but of course the only time I notice is when I try to play them. Does this occur with Tidal I wonder - or is it solely a Qobuz issue?
I do wish @support would at least comment - not a holding comment to shut us up but an actual proper look into the matter? Sorry to seem a bit harsh, I do really enjoy using Roon, but there are dozens of issues like this that never get dealt with whilst features we never asked for are launched with great fanfare… I really would like to see the company actually respond to our requests and not just say they do when launching amazing new features nobody knew they even wanted - as fun as those features sometimes are!
I agree this is really annoying and feels like something that could be semi-automated ie. “This track is no longer available on Qobuz, do you want to replace it with one of these versions?” — either individual or en-mass.
Roon is meant to be my central music manager, but if I can’t easily manage my playlists sensible/easily (and tracks are silently falling off them) then it’s failing heavily in that regard as a one-stop solution.
But short of the above, even a nicer means to manually replace a track in a playlist would be a good start.
Yes, it is an issue with any streaming source. As licenses get renewed, changed etc, streaming services will deprecate the out of license version and just add a new one, that may or may not be the same as the one that was deprecated.