Showing (off) your Roon setup - description and photos [2023]

…& a slightly smaller 10kWh package…

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Hi Johan

I had it once measured. Of course it is not perfect. There are some bumps. But they are minor. OTOH I am lucky with the speaker placement. On the spot they are now, it works very well with the listening position. 1 inch back and the bass becomes fat. 2 inch forward and it becomes thin. The toe in must be on the point. Otherwise the “s” becomes “sss”.

It is very good as it is. I enjoy it. It is extremely dynamic with a nice soundstage. The way I like it. Thank you!

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Is yours fed directly from the inverter?

Yes, domestic use has priority, then batteries & if export exceeds 200W water is heated before full export.

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Oh wow, that’s a tiny sweet spot …
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… just like with most of the systems at High End '23, even the impressive ones I posted about.

Makes me love my DSP’ed full range line source speakers even more … thanks for cheering me up :heavy_heart_exclamation:

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Not quite. The sweet spot is acceptable enough. But the speakers must be exactly placed in the room.

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You probably know this, but the term ‘sweet spot’ typically refers to the focal point between your speakers and not usually to how “(un-)forgiving” your speakers are if you change their distance to the front wall or side walls.

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Wasn’t clear to me, he meant the speaker’s and not the listening position.
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Okay, my bad.
:man_bowing:
Posting officially withdrawn.
:peace_symbol:

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We forgive you!:sunglasses:

Wilsons are extremely picky when it comes to placement. Mine have 3 cabinets, one for bass, 1 midrange and 1 tweeter. You have to set the horizontal position of them in relation to the listening distance. Same is with the vertical angle of them. You got tables how they must be adjusted exactly depending on the distance to the listening place.

Once done you get time coherence for all frequencies.

Because they are very directed, the toe in must exactly match.

If this is the case, soundstage, placement of the instruments, impulses are great.

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Sad I know but I used this when setting my speakers up, laser measure from my listening seat.


And once sorted marked the floor up to enable them to be put back in the exact same spot if they ever need moving.

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I use this one:

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I have removed the marks on the floor two days ago. I write down the exact distance from every corner of every speaker to the wall. And I know exactly on which point of my chair the laser must point to for the toe in. I can put the speakers any time again into the same position as they were.

The problem is, I hear it if it is 3 mm out of balance.

Crazy to do it, but it is worth it and it costs nothing.

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Absolutely.Get it right and you get images outside the speakers if it is on the recording. :+1:

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Whoops…accidentally deleted my post yesterday, and the forum wouldn’t let me un-delete it for 24 hours. But I can’t find it, so am posting again. Sorry if there’s a double post somewhere. Anyway…

Upgraded from a pair of Devialet Phantom I Premier Classic 103dB to Devialet Phantom I 108dB Gold in my main system.

They are a good upgrade to my ears in my listening space. The titanium tweeter adds that bit of shimmer that makes music listening that much more enjoyable. The added processing power appears to tighten the bass. I certainly see the woofers dancing more than the Premiers. The increased power output allows for much more headroom. In addition, the matte finish with gold highlights is beautiful.

These upgrades, while welcome, isn’t to say this is a huge upgrade. I find once a sound system reaches a certain level of hi-fidelity, at some point the investment vs. value proposition in sound improvement proves to be less value. There are a couple staple pieces of gear in my system that greatly contribute to sound quality: the miniDSP-SHD Studio (for full Dirac digital room correction) and the Mutec MC-3+ USB (jitter reclocking… there is absolutely no noise floor and no listening fatigue). Every component in the system works together.

In addition, the entire system is hard wired. I don’t use the wireless capability of the Phantoms because doing so would bypass the two above noted components. It would also increase latency when watching television. The Phantoms are connected via direct optical and ethernet.

I’ve been into music and audio gear over four decades. Have enjoyed it all. Started off with a mono lo-fidelity Radio Shack cassette tape player when I was 10 years old.

I hope the above is useful to some assembling a Phantom system. Post a reply with comments or questions and I’ll do my best to reply in a timely fashion… I’ll be busy listening to music. Cheers.

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@Peter_Bruderer
Very nice – all this, and Nipper too!

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In addition to a bosch laser measure I also use a bosch angle measure to make sure both speakers perfectly mirroring each other.

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I never knew that I wanted one of these, but it turns out I really do. Thanks for sharing :+1:

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Life’s too short, but at least you can check it precisely :joy:

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Weldone, hereunder are what I’ve learned over time and (my) priorities for great listening:

  1. A room with requisites: there are no ideal rooms and all have to be treated more or less. It is useless to spend a lot of money on excellent systems to fit them in an untreated room, the sound will still be mediocre and the economic investment will not give the desired return. Often the aesthetics of the room conflicts with the need for its correct treatment and we have to choose (accepting few compromises). The music room is for listening to music with your ears (maybe with eyes closed), design and aesthetics are not priorities. I built a music room fitting the Bolt area and then treat it to get the best sound.

  2. Correct positioning of equipment. The speakers must be positioned to reproduce the sound scene as faithfully as possible (it is always a matter of psycho-acoustics, therefore personal). It would be better to avoid placing hi-fi equipment between the speakers, the turntable certainly should not be placed there. I have placed the equipment on the longest side of the room beyond the listening point.

  3. Everything else: devices, loudspeakers, cables, DSP filters (which must be managed very carefully to not introduce distortions and unnatural listening), and so on.

My devices:

  • M2TECH Rockstars line:
    • VAN DEER GRAAF MKII very low noise power supply
    • YOUNG MKIII DAC preamplifier
    • CROSBY power amplifier
    • MARLEY MKII headphones amplifier
  • Tube amplifier: YAOIN MC-13S with Electro Harmonix Tubes
  • Turntable: New Horizon 200 with AT91R stylus
  • Loudspeakers: ELAC Carina FS247.4
  • Roon core on a fanless PC (self-made) with ROCK
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I just realized I hadn’t updated this in years so here’s my current set up
edit: forgot to add speakers :slight_smile:

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Hello from Toronto
Hegel H390
Denafrips Terminator II 12th Anniversary DAC
Denafrips GAIA DDC
Buchardt S400 MK II
SVS MICROSUB 3000
Audiosensability OCC Interconnects and Speaker Cables and Ethernet and USB
Roon Core on dedicated Mac mini USB to GAIA
Dedicated iPad
:notes::notes::musical_score:

Matt

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