Actually I was very hopeful after these words:
But with every new release they do the opposite and only increase this divide in capabilities.
Actually I was very hopeful after these words:
But with every new release they do the opposite and only increase this divide in capabilities.
Sorry, that could have been worded better - Iâm refering to the other elements that might make up a tag - albums, genres, compositions that canât be selected at the same time as the playlist(s) in that tag.
As you refer to here:
And while I can select multiple playlists I canât do so in complex tags that consist of albums, genres, and playlists. So now I canât shuffle them at all. [Screenshot 2021-03-01 at 13.29.06]
So you have to add the tracks from the albums already in the tag to a new playlist, which is added to the tag.
And again thanks for the links from members of the Roon team, obviously I had missed those.
Iâm refering to the other elements that might make up a tag - albums, genres, compositions that canât be selected at the same time as the playlist(s) in that tag.
Yes, unfortunately thatâs how it is.
Yes, weâre aware of this need and have a plan for it.
But I still believe in miracles and patiently wait for better times.
My current workarounds. I warn you, they are not very elegant. And they only work when all the tracks that you have in your playlists, also exist in a library version. I am in this very lucky position since in Tidal I favored all tracks in all playlists before making a local copy of them in Roon.
(1) For relatively short playlists (up to 10 hours?)
Choose a playlist in which you have plenty of technically ânon-libraryâ tracks (âDate addedâ column is empty). Select the ones with no âdate addedâ (you can arrange the column âdate addedâ, that helps to select them). Play now. Make sure you turn Radio function off so that the music stops after you have played your selection (play bar > hamburger (queue) > automatically pick music based on your queue > no). Let it play all night (with the sound off). Next morning. Go to My Library > Tracks. Arrange them in order of last played. Select all the tracks from the playlist you were playing. Add them to the playlist you were playing. You have now all these tracks twice in your playlist, once the Library version (with date in the column âDate addedâ), once the non-library version (without a date in that column). Select all the tracks with no date in that column (the non-library versions). Delete them. You have now replaced all these non-library versions in your playlist with library versions⌠and from there everything goes smoothly, including shuffling those tracks when you put the playlist in a tag. Big fun, this Roon experience! After a couple of hundred (or thousand) hours of playing music without listening to it⌠I will be saved! Question: will that be before or after Roon comes up with a better solution?
PS: Since the music is playing all night, your scheduled backup will fail. You can stop the music the next day and force a backup (Settings > Backups > View > three dots > Force backup now).
PPS: Since you are making lots of changes, it might be wise to backup daily.
(2) For long playlists
Select the playlist. Make a copy of it (three dots > Add to playlist). Give the copy a new name. Go to My Library > Tracks. Select them all (right click the first track, Ctrl A). Add them to the copy you made (three dots on top > Add to playlist). Go to the copy of the playlist. And then I had hoped: display doubles only (cogwheel > Only show duplicates) to then make a new playlist with the library-versions of those doubles. Unfortunately, Roon does not consider the non-library and the library version of a track as a double (although obviously they are). So here, the only thing you can do is put this playlist (with the copy of the original playlist + all the tracks in your library) in alphabetical order and go look for doubles manually. You delete everything except the library version of the tracks that were in your original playlist. After that you have a copy of your original playlist with library versions of the tracks only. After checking whether you have the same number of tracks and playtime as in your original playlist, you can delete that original playlist (with the non-library versions). I admit it: this is a â â â â â â and unworkable procedure. But maybe it sparks the creativity of someone smarter with better ideas.
Wow! I get the idea, but itâs very complicated, youâre right. And youâre really lucky because you havenât hit Tidalâs 10,000 limit yet.
Hey @Alexander_Bashlaev â I wanted to clarify something here.
But I donât understand why should I write a feature request about something that used to work before and now is broken
So, I was a bit unclear when I initially talked to Dylan about this. I intended to communicate this was something like a âknown limitationâ because shuffling of tags has only ever worked on content in your library.
This causes a long-standing issue when it comes to playlists, since the playlist itself is in your library but can contain content thatâs not in your library, which our tag infrastructure doesnât include when you shuffle the tag.
I agree this limitation is lame and that fixing isnât really appropriate as a feature request â âmake tags work on content outside my libraryâ would be a fine request that would give you what you want, but itâs a reasonable request that Roon properly shuffle the things youâve tagged.
Weâre aware of that request (and some of the others mentioned in this thread) and considering changes for the future. That said, I donât think this ever worked the way youâre describing. If Iâm misunderstanding what âused to workâ here, definitely let me know.
That said, I donât think this ever worked the way youâre describing. If Iâm misunderstanding what âused to workâ here, definitely let me know.
Hi Mike,
Thanks for clarifying. But if I wasnât sure of this, I wouldnât write about it. The same tags with Tidal playlists shuffled without any problems when the Roon Radio UI was used for shuffling. And I was unpleasantly surprised, when since build 763 I couldnât do this anymore.
Hey @Alexander_Bashlaev â hereâs two GIFs:
From the last 1.7 release (710):
And from the very first 1.8 build (753):
They both move kind of quick but in the 1.7 one, the Melissa Etheridge album is from outside library (note the inactive fav hearts) and is never played during the shuffle.
In build 753, the album âArrivalâ is outside library, and also never gets played during the tag shuffle.
I know you donât have these builds at your disposal, but Iâm not aware of any other distinctions that could have caused things to work the way youâre describing. If you think thereâs something Iâm missing about how the playlists were tagged, where they were created, how you were shuffling, etc, let me know.
Well, Iâm confused. This is very, very strange. I was sure it used to work before. Maybe itâs some kind of memory aberration. Thank you for your patience and these examples. I hope finally it will work some day.
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This has been resolved in Build 831:
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