Roon Radio 1.6 Feedback Thread

cass_fisher · February 12, 2019, 8:29pm

Norris, I think the seed track constantly changes. I suppose the problem is reproducible in the sense that I, eventually, always find that there are songs that are repeating. Why it is so often these same peculiar tracks, I don’t know. Is my Roon just haunted?

Charles_Peterson · February 12, 2019, 8:55pm

Thanks for that, and it looks like it would do the job, but I don’t see a ROCK option. Or is there?

Geoff_Coupe · February 12, 2019, 9:13pm

No, you can’t install Extensions on ROCK. You need to install them elsewhere. I’ve actually installed the Extension Manager on a RPi running DietPi, and used that to install the Alarm Clock extension.

Jack_Riley · February 12, 2019, 11:13pm

I was not able to seed with multiple albums, genres, artists, or tracks, that would be a nice first step, however

Neil_Small · February 17, 2019, 1:48am

I have no idea where to post this on your BBS, but I’ve been testing the new improved Roon Radio since the release of 1.6… today, it’s been on for the past seven hours.

Standing ovation! Absolutely excellent! The longer it plays, the better it gets. Perhaps this is due to more obscure music; beats me what the algorithm is doing, but I (we) love it. Please keep up the good work. Did I mention a standing ovation? Gotta run; more terrific music is playing and I have to find out who it is…

Neil Small

Arnold_Spieker · February 17, 2019, 5:08pm

All,

I know I probably going to get bashed about this, but I do not really like the way Roon Radio AI selects from Tidal. I have found that in may case it selects newer releases from similar artists. Personally, I like the history and following the lineage of bands, (ie Mose Allison’s influence on Pete Townsend and the Who). So I don’t necessarily want to listen to his latest/last albums. I had thought that using someone’s current library as a means to seed the AI would be interesting, but that was already suggested and rejected in previous post. It also appears that the Roon radio AI rarely returns to my library, going mainly from Tidal (Red Book, but that has been covered here already). A proposed improvement would be for the user to control the percentage of Tidal, Qobuz, and personal Library. This would allow the user to explore music new to them on their own terms. Using this info to train the AI would also make the AI Radio better for all.

Thanks,

Arnie

Larry_Post · February 17, 2019, 6:41pm

I’ve experienced all of the above with 1.6 Roon Radio. Sometimes great new stuff that is in the same audio thread as the seed, other times it goes off the rails within a few songs, and yet other times it repeats either the same track from the same album or it repeats the same track but from a different source/album (i.e. local or differing album but same track from Tidal).

I suspect the algorithm is being updated, along with the input data from all using it, to nudge the blob in different directions. I’m scared once the real neural network becomes self-aware, it won’t need us anymore.

Searches and artist photos have been quite hit and miss, mostly miss, this morning.

Frank_Daman · February 18, 2019, 12:54pm

I seem to notice some learning behaviour in Radio.This weekend, after downvoting six tracks in a row, the algorithm apparently went off in a different - and pleasing - direction.

Paul_Williams · February 19, 2019, 7:02am

I had never really bothered with Roon Radio until 1.6 and generally I have found it excellent. The integration with Qobuz makes it even more desirable.

However, one feature I have found particularly annoying is that it selects albums/tracks that I have already played or included in the queue and secondly, it keeps on providing as options albums/tracks that I have already downvoted.

andybob · February 20, 2019, 12:22am

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Vectra · February 20, 2019, 2:35am

Two questions:

is there a way to have my Primary Version played instead of Tidal/Qobuz or my other local versions?

I noticed that Radio plays a lot of tracks from the streamers in CD resolution even when I have a local version listed as “Primary” and even if my version is higher resolution.
This is more valuable when I have clear preferred digital versions and take the time to list them as Primary.

Is my voting exclusively for the benefit of the big Roon data cloud or can I train Roon specific to my interests? I recall that I can vote “thumbs down” and it’s relatively meaningless for my future experience since I’m just one of many voters.

Paul_Williams · February 20, 2019, 4:55am

Another session with Roon Radio - started with Mendelssohn String Quartet No 6 played by the Doric SQ - to be immediately followed by exactly the same work played by the Ebene Q. Now even pop music listeners would not expect exactly the same song but by a different artist to come up as a selection on Roon Radio.

Henrik_Richter_Schie · February 20, 2019, 9:51pm

I’ve tried reading through this whole thread, but it’s long so sorry of this has been asked before. I really liked Roon Radio before it included all of Tidal, and although I will use this feature from time to time as well I want to know if there is an option to just use library songs in radio now?

CostasD · February 20, 2019, 9:53pm

Sure is:

Henrik_Richter_Schie · February 20, 2019, 10:10pm

Fantastic, thanks!

alex_london · February 21, 2019, 7:23pm

+1.

Seems like inconsistent UI design to me. I remember seeing the switch there and I toggled it off - I looked (almost) everywhere and the only way I could figure out how to find it again was to search for it in the forums (and came across this thread).

In hindsight I guess I should have clicked the three dots menu before searching online, but it wasn’t that obvious to me. I agree that this toggle should be in the main screen (or not at all even when it’s toggled on).

AndersVinberg · February 21, 2019, 7:37pm

I think I saw above that when there are several Album Artists (or Primary Artists?) the Now Playing screen will show them all, not auto-cycling like on the CC Display but manually cyclable. Now I can’t find it.

In any case, I get only one artist and can’t find any rolling button.

Is it there, if so how?

noris · February 21, 2019, 8:19pm

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ged_hickman1 · February 21, 2019, 7:56pm

Whereas it’s working better for me.

David_Roberts · February 21, 2019, 9:14pm

So I wasn’t thrilled with the new Roon Radio in the first couple weeks, but I have found it to be much better lately.

This could be due to any/all of:

My imagination
Roon Radio algorithm improving (seems pretty fast for a dramatic change, but possible)
A happy outcome of deleting a few hundred extraneous “Tidal Collection” albums that were in my library. Adding those collections didn’t really help my own experience, and they cluttered my library (as I look back anyway). Since they don’t download locally anyway, there seems to be little benefit to expanding a library so broadly. Now I just have my curated collection plus the zillions of items available on-demand from Qobuz.

It really feels like most radio seeds now play a much better mix of Qobuz (I’m ditching Tidal now) and Library offerings for me. And I wonder if winnowing out some of the overly-broad collections of albums from Tidal accounts for the lion’s share of the improvements. For those not happy with Roon Radio results, try removing some of the broad Tidal collections and see if that helps your own Radio experience.